mr1010 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 8 hours ago, bookmaster8 said: Wow. I just now had a chance to read this thread. I don't know how much, if any, of these arguments came about from my first post. But, just to make it clear, I was not complaining at all about a lack of sexual activity or a lack of nudity. The whole purpose of my first post in this thread was to simply specify that I found Kristy's bf's treatment of her to be crappy. I didn't understand why he was acting like she wasn't even there or, if she was, then she was irrelevant to him because all of his phone calls and photo and message scrolling were far more important to him than anything that she wanted. I thought his behavior, at best, was quite rude. I watched it for about one and a half hours and saw practically no affection from him at all while she kept seemingly flirting with him by wrapping her legs around him, giving him flirty smiles and gestures and more. I had cut away briefly during that one and a half hours twice, but neither time was that long at all. Based on the replies I got to my post, apparently there was something that went on while they were on the balcony (although since there is no camera out there, it's not totally clear what happened). I didn't see that. So, it affected my assessment of what was going on between them. I don't know whether that post had anything to do with all the angry replies or not. If it did, I apologize for posting my reaction to what I personally saw. Then again, that's what I thought forums were all about. No need to apologize, book. Oh and I think all they did on the balcony was make out. She didn't want sex that night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBox Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 12.5.2016 at 11:16 AM, corboblanc said: personnellement, je ne visais pas votre post, mais plutôt certaines réactions que je trouvent déplacées. les parties payantes de rlc, ne garantissent pas le sexe. les participantes, comme kristy ou kamila, ont une vie ordinaire de 2 jeunes femmes vivant dans une ville russe. même si elles acceptent un certain degré d'exhibition, cela ne veut pas dire qu'elle n'ont pas de mal à faire du porno sur internet. elles sont gênées et c'est normal. c'est cela qui donne un aspect réaliste au concept de rlc, bien plus que des professionnelles comme irma, ilona ou elisa, qui ne vivent que par le sexe!!!! nous pouvons tous avoir des avis différents sur ce que montre ou pas les filles, mais pas d'exiger du spectacle parce que nous payons. beaucoup de membres ne payent pas pour avoir du spectacle porno, mais pour découvrir des filles et des couples, dans leur quotidien, loin de chez nous. plus leur vie nous parait normale, plus le concept rlc à du sens.... personally, I was not aiming your post, but some reactions I are displaced. Pay the parts of rlc, do not guarantee sex. participating as kristy kamila or have an ordinary life of two young women in a Russian city. even if they accept a certain degree of exhibition, that does not mean it does not hurt to do porn on the internet. they are embarrassed and this is normal. this is what gives a realistic look at the concept of rlc, much as professional as Irma, Ilona or Elisa, who live only by sex !!!! we all have different opinions on what is shown or not girls, but not to require the show because we pay. many members do not pay for porn show, but to discover girls and couples in their day away from home. more normal life seems to us, the more the concept rlc to sense .... Maybe it is time for some reality: Without the bedroom cameras in the apartments of RLC the project would not survive, because the value of $45/month would be ridiculous. With this cameras, there is the reasoned presumption that this page is serious about the term "Real Life". Furthermore, RLC has show in the past that this presumtion is implemented throughout the apartments (at least until the move out of Nora). ... That this policy has changed, seems obvious (K&K, D&D, ...), but it will definitely disappoint many customers. ... Come one, $45/month to watch a couple go 2nd base just to run out off cameras and have sex on the balcony. You can not call this "REALLIFECAM" seriously. Since they return from their holidays, this apartment is somehow more artificial that before and extreme lonely. I can not see the "ordinary life of two young women in a russian city" there, because it take place outside of the apartment only. Just strage visits, almost no interaction, .... It is sad. BTW, All this does not mean that I do not appreciate K&K. They are two very nice and sympathetic girls and I wish them only good. But I think, RLC should have selected a different cast and also an different approach (e.g. They need to have both side of an couple in contract). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 43 minutes ago, MrBox said: Maybe it is time for some reality: Without the bedroom cameras in the apartments of RLC the project would not survive, because the value of $45/month would be ridiculous. With this cameras, there is the reasoned presumption that this page is serious about the term "Real Life". Furthermore, RLC has show in the past that this presumtion is implemented throughout the apartments (at least until the move out of Nora). ... That this policy has changed, seems obvious (K&K, D&D, ...), but it will definitely disappoint many customers. ... Come one, $45/month to watch a couple go 2nd base just to run out off cameras and have sex on the balcony. You can not call this "REALLIFECAM" seriously. Since they return from their holidays, this apartment is somehow more artificial that before and extreme lonely. I can not see the "ordinary life of two young women in a russian city" there, because it take place outside of the apartment only. Just strage visits, almost no interaction, .... It is sad. BTW, All this does not mean that I do not appreciate K&K. They are two very nice and sympathetic girls and I wish them only good. But I think, RLC should have selected a different cast and also an different approach (e.g. They need to have both side of an couple in contract). I agree in part. I don't think K & K are necessarily bad for the project. Just that they are approaching it from the position of control and leverage. They have the leverage over rlc because of their great popularity with viewers (not just cc). Thus, they do not have to show much and can get away with that. We viewers are not happy though. But I believe they read CC at times and whenever they sense some dissatisfaction, they give us a partial show or two, sort of a "bone". Then everyone gets sated for a while. The girls are shrewd young businesswomen. I give them respect for that. Everything in life is kind of a negotiation. You even negotiate with your spouses or significant others. It isn't always discussed or overt, but it is there nonetheless. Right now, K & K are negotiating with us viewers. They have the upper hand though, so they get more of what they want than we do. Maybe one day, if people are dissatisfied enough, we get more of what we want. I tend to doubt we will ever "win" the negotiation though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBox Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, mr1010 said: I agree in part. I don't think K & K are necessarily bad for the project. Just that they are approaching it from the position of control and leverage. They have the leverage over rlc because of their great popularity with viewers (not just cc). Thus, they do not have to show much and can get away with that. We viewers are not happy though. But I believe they read CC at times and whenever they sense some dissatisfaction, they give us a partial show or two, sort of a "bone". Then everyone gets sated for a while. The girls are shrewd young businesswomen. I give them respect for that. Everything in life is kind of a negotiation. You even negotiate with your spouses or significant others. It isn't always discussed or overt, but it is there nonetheless. Right now, K & K are negotiating with us viewers. They have the upper hand though, so they get more of what they want than we do. Maybe one day, if people are dissatisfied enough, we get more of what we want. I tend to doubt we will ever "win" the negotiation though. As corboblanc mentioned, there should be no force. .... Now the error has happened and we need to wait until they lost all interest in this apartment. ... Maybe it takes not so long. Kamila it is almost no longer there. ... Than RLC can cast people more open and the apartment can be a big success. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, MrBox said: As corboblanc mentioned, there should be no force. .... Now the error has happened and we need to wait until they lost all interest in this apartment. ... Maybe it takes not so long. Kamila it is almost no longer there. ... Than RLC can cast people more open and the apartment can be a big success. It might happen that they will leave earlier than we think. Although they probably have a one year contractt. But, don't necessarily think the next ones will be better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBox Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, mr1010 said: It might happen that they will leave earlier than we think. Although they probably have a one year contractt. But, don't necessarily think the next ones will be better. Before elisa i also thought the barcelona apartment is lost. .... Maybe. .... I still hope that RLC wanted to do it well. Lately they simply do a lot of mistakes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, mr1010 said: It might happen that they will leave earlier than we think. Although they probably have a one year contractt. But, don't necessarily think the next ones will be better. bring back Irma Anna Danaya Adele :-) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corboblanc Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 2016-05-13 at 11:51 AM, MrBox said: Maybe it is time for some reality: Without the bedroom cameras in the apartments of RLC the project would not survive, because the value of $45/month would be ridiculous. With this cameras, there is the reasoned presumption that this page is serious about the term "Real Life". Furthermore, RLC has show in the past that this presumtion is implemented throughout the apartments (at least until the move out of Nora). ... That this policy has changed, seems obvious (K&K, D&D, ...), but it will definitely disappoint many customers. ... Come one, $45/month to watch a couple go 2nd base just to run out off cameras and have sex on the balcony. You can not call this "REALLIFECAM" seriously. Since they return from their holidays, this apartment is somehow more artificial that before and extreme lonely. I can not see the "ordinary life of two young women in a russian city" there, because it take place outside of the apartment only. Just strage visits, almost no interaction, .... It is sad. BTW, All this does not mean that I do not appreciate K&K. They are two very nice and sympathetic girls and I wish them only good. But I think, RLC should have selected a different cast and also an different approach (e.g. They need to have both side of an couple in contract). il y a des vérités dans vos paroles, mais je répète que nous ne pouvons pas exiger du sexe parce que nous payons. nous payons pour voir ce qui se passe dans la chambre, pas pour décider de ce qui doit s'y passer!!!! quand vous dites que vous ne voyez pas la vraie vie, qui se passe à l'extérieur, imaginez rlc dans l'avenir, qui équiperait des participantes de caméras frontales, pour les suivre à l'extérieur!!! cela serait un concept intéressant, non?!!! there are truths in your words, but I repeat that we can not demand sex because we pay. we pay to see what happens in the bedroom, not to decide what should happen there !!!! when you say you do not see real life happens outside, imagine rlc in the future, which would equip participants with frontal cameras to monitor the outside !!! this would be an interesting concept, no ?!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBox Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 1 hour ago, corboblanc said: il y a des vérités dans vos paroles, mais je répète que nous ne pouvons pas exiger du sexe parce que nous payons. nous payons pour voir ce qui se passe dans la chambre, pas pour décider de ce qui doit s'y passer!!!! quand vous dites que vous ne voyez pas la vraie vie, qui se passe à l'extérieur, imaginez rlc dans l'avenir, qui équiperait des participantes de caméras frontales, pour les suivre à l'extérieur!!! cela serait un concept intéressant, non?!!! there are truths in your words, but I repeat that we can not demand sex because we pay. we pay to see what happens in the bedroom, not to decide what should happen there !!!! when you say you do not see real life happens outside, imagine rlc in the future, which would equip participants with frontal cameras to monitor the outside !!! this would be an interesting concept, no ?!!! ... No. ... .... but good that we have talked about it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 2016-05-13 at 2:25 PM, corboblanc said: il y a des vérités dans vos paroles, mais je répète que nous ne pouvons pas exiger du sexe parce que nous payons. nous payons pour voir ce qui se passe dans la chambre, pas pour décider de ce qui doit s'y passer!!!! quand vous dites que vous ne voyez pas la vraie vie, qui se passe à l'extérieur, imaginez rlc dans l'avenir, qui équiperait des participantes de caméras frontales, pour les suivre à l'extérieur!!! cela serait un concept intéressant, non?!!! there are truths in your words, but I repeat that we can not demand sex because we pay. we pay to see what happens in the bedroom, not to decide what should happen there !!!! when you say you do not see real life happens outside, imagine rlc in the future, which would equip participants with frontal cameras to monitor the outside !!! this would be an interesting concept, no ?!!! Corbo: It is true that we cannot demand sex acts. But, like everything in life, you pay for certain things (anything, could even be a cell phone) and you expect a certain degree of service, of performance. When we don't get what we expect then we aren't happy. This is no different. This is most definitely a sex voyeur site. It is not a non-sex voyeur site. So, when we gets shows or teases instead of the real sex acts that they are doing, just elsewhere, we feel that we are not getting performance or service. Of course, I do not expect sex when the people do not have sex. I don't expect bating when they don't do it. I don't expect sex between women when they don't have sex with women. But.... if they do these things and constantly hide them or do them outside the apartment, then we are getting somewhat ripped off. Remember, they didn't have to join this project, be in front of cameras 24/7, show their moms and dads their bodies or sex acts. They choose to do it knowing all the foregoing. They are entertainers, performers. Sometimes, a movie calls for nudity and the actress has to show parts of their nude bodies or in a small sex act. The actress knows what the role calls for. She doesn't have to act in that movie if she doesn't want. Maybe even she can negotiate a change in the script. Actress Anne Hathaway, who I love, recently talked about the negotiation over how often she would show her tits or other body parts. Refreshing honesty about what really goes on behind the scenes of making a movie. So, the participants here know their roles. RLC gives them leeway to decide what they will show. But, RLC is not a not for profit organization. They need subscribers to make money. If those current or would be subscribers are not happy that the actors or actresses are showing enough or just teasing, they may leave, not join and their income drops. So, we have the right as consumers or viewers to state what we want, try to demand it, and to walk if we don't like it. And no one is being forced to do anything they don't want. This is my most thorough synopsis of what I think this sex voyeur site is all about. I know we will keep debating this issue forever. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corboblanc Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 il y a 32 minutes, mr1010 a dit : Corbo: It is true that we cannot demand sex acts. But, like everything in life, you pay for certain things (anything, could even be a cell phone) and you expect a certain degree of service, of performance. When we don't get what we expect then we aren't happy. This is no different. This is most definitely a sex voyeur site. It is not a non-sex voyeur site. So, when we gets shows or teases instead of the real sex acts that they are doing, just elsewhere, we feel that we are not getting performance or service. Of course, I do not expect sex when the people do not have sex. I don't expect bating when they don't do it. I don't expect sex between women when they don't have sex with women. But.... if they do these things and constantly hide them or do them outside the apartment, then we are getting somewhat ripped off. Remember, they didn't have to join this project, be in front of cameras 24/7, show their moms and dads their bodies or sex acts. They choose to do it knowing all the foregoing. They are entertainers, performers. Sometimes, a movie calls for nudity and the actress has to show parts of their nude bodies or in a small sex act. The actress knows what the role calls for. She doesn't have to act in that movie if she doesn't want. Maybe even she can negotiate a change in the script. Actress Anne Hathaway, who I love, recently talked about the negotiation over how often she would show her tits or other body parts. Refreshing honesty about what really goes on behind the scenes of making a movie. So, the participants here know their roles. RLC gives them leeway to decide what they will show. But, RLC is not a not for profit organization. They need subscribers to make money. If those current or would be subscribers are not happy that the actors or actresses are showing enough or just teasing, they may leave, not join and their income drops. So, we have the right as consumers or viewers to state what we want, try to demand it, and to walk if we don't like it. And no one is being forced to do anything they don't want. This is my most thorough synopsis of what I think this sex voyeur site is all about. I know we will keep debating this issue forever. je suis absolument d'accord avec tout ce que vous venez de dire..... I absolutely agree with everything you just said ..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 26 minutes ago, corboblanc said: je suis absolument d'accord avec tout ce que vous venez de dire..... I absolutely agree with everything you just said ..... Why, thank you, Corbo. I am actually a little surprised you agreed with everything I said. Next, we should tackle world peace. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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