Britain has a new PM

[BBsq69]

1 hour ago, Linked said:

So is this May going to be the same as Cameron then?  Maybe a Brit can enlighten me as I had no clue who she was until Cameron stepped down.

As I said before she was Home Secretary in charge of the police, internal security, prisons and border control. The role used to mean being in charge of the courts as well but that was handed over to the relatively new role of Justice Secretary. She has occupied this role for 6 years.

Surprisingly little is known about her. She is the daughter of a vicar and went to a Grammar School (which tended to be selective schools based on academic ability and not the ability to pay so not one of those private schools for the upper classes like Cameron). I think she went to Oxford or Cambridge so obviously quite clever. She doesn't like socialising, so you are unlikely to hear an unguarded remark from her, but adores clothes and is famous for her shoes. She 's married to guy who looks like Woody Allen.

During her time she presided over a border control system which was basically letting people through our borders without checking who they were. I think she survived that scandal by blaming other people and as I said above because she was a woman - Home Secretaries are sacked regularly - and also because it was early on in her tenure. There were also riots (started by the shooting of a black man ... as always) in which the police force acted rather pathetically in that they failed utterly to protect people or property all over the country. She also attacked the police at their own conference which did not go down well.

She made a speech about a man who had not been deported on the basis that he had to look after his pet cat at the Conservative Party conference which was widely criticised for 3 reasons:

1. She was in charge of deporting people and therefore it was surely her failing.

2, There was a lot more to the case, which she must have known.

3. The UKIP (Tea Party) leader Nigel Farage had earlier cited the same case in a speech which she basically copied.

During her time buses went around UK cities telling immigrants (presumably ones whose visas had expired) to go home. Now obviously they should go home but it was the lack of subtelty and crassness of the message which shocked people and led to their swift withdrawal.

Finally she gave one speech in the referendum in support of the EU which said she did not like so was wheeled away from the campaign quickly. She is not known for supporting human rights.

She is seen as strong and confident and a tough negotiator but not an idealistic megalomaniac like Thatcher.

[Linked]

So another sip that protects their own ass that is PC, and isn't going to change much?

[BBsq69]

4 minutes ago, Linked said:

So another sip that protects their own ass that is PC, and isn't going to change much?

Far from PC, if you look at the buses example and her record on human rights, but I think she joined the Remain campaign because she thought it would win rather than because she believed in it. As it happens the Leave campaign leaders stabbed each other in the backs and she was able to cruise to victory with her last opponent unaware of how to handle the media and withdrawing, so it worked out well for her.

[BBsq69]

Just a little info about the guy who was shot causing the riots which far more about robbing stores than anything else. Although as always he was portrayed as a petty criminal whose relatives and neighbours claimed was a good boy, it turned out that he had married into Manchester's most notorious criminal family a member of which I think had killed some policewomen. Aren't these guys always innocent?!!! 

 

[MrBox]

 

[ww_watcher]

I wish they had interviewed more vets.

 

[van the man]

The British are the most fair minded people in the world. We are largely colour blind and are tolerant of all different types of culture. (of course we have people who are prejudiced and hate 'foreigners' but I am talking about our society in general). I think the very fact that millions of people wish to come to the UK to live and work is testament to our levels of tolerance and openness. That being said tolerance can only be stretched so far. When immigration reaches levels that are measured in millions, and the very society that attracts people to come in the first place is threatened, indigenous populations begin to get restless and feel exploited.

Add into this the feeling that those in charge of the nation no longer care about the indigenous population and treat them with contempt and label them racists or bigots if they dare raise the issue of immigration in public. Such treatment builds resentment - not of immigrants directly but of the 'political ruling class'.

Further, add into the mix a strong feeling that, not only the UK political class have abandoned the indigenous population but the political class have handed over sovereignty and the levers of power to un-elected, faceless, unknown Eurocrats (virtually all of whom are failed professional politicians) who cannot be directly voted out if they fail to satisfy the needs of the people.

The EU has prevented democracy getting in the way of their project by simply ignoring any vote that they deemed gave 'the wrong answer'. Not only anti-democratic but also corrupt on a huge scale - the accounts of the EU have been reject by Auditors every year for over a quarter of a century!

So what happened when, for the first time since 5th June 1975, the British people were given the chance to pass their opinion? Well despite virtually every member of the entire British Establishment - including Parliament, the Church, the City and many of the media - ganging up and threatening and scaring people, over 17 million people told them to 'get lost' and voted to leave the EU. 

The British people have stood up to and stood out against the ruling elite. Meanwhile the Establishment is busy trying to work out how they can ignore the vote and manage to remain. Many politicians and many lawyers in the UK are calling for the referendum result to be ignored! 

I believe the UK has begun the process of saving Europe from once again sliding towards a catastrophe.

So what of America and the nomination of Donald Trump? I believe the fact that he is not a politician and uses the language of the wider population and expresses the fears of the very people who feel abandoned by the ruling classes, makes him attractive to many. His potential rise to power stems from the same frustrations that made the UK vote Brexit. The feeling of abandonment. 

The political classes need to listen and realise that voters are waking up to the fact that they are only in it for themselves and care nothing for the people. Maybe, just maybe the 'Western Spring' has finally begun. 

By the way as I'm writing this I learn that a state of emergency has been declared in Turkey. This gives Mr Erdogan the chance to eliminate all possible opposition to his government. He will then be free to solidify his growing dictatorship. He will be free to move Turkish society further away from secularism towards a full on Muslim state. The EU will not oppose him because, as a failing organisation, they need Turkey to help with their disastrous immigration policy! What irony that the need to prevent the EU being overwhelmed by displaced Muslims is going to lead to a vital member of Nato and the neighbour to the EU becoming a stronghold for intolerance by Muslims!!!

The world is truly going to hell in a hand cart! God help my children and God help yours!!! Wow if I carry on I might even become more depressed than Kami and Anezka!!!!!

 

 

[woodworker]

Good to hear from you Van.   I had you in my thoughts during that vote to break free off the EU leash.  

Even the EU flag resembles a choke collar for dogs.   

 

[Foamy T. Squirrel]

Very well thought out, Van. I love to see decent discourse on this forum. The only thing that protects me is a Constitution, a structure built upon the philosophy of John Locke,  and I would kill to defend it. Great Britain has always had a love of its traditions of liberty, ever since the Magna Carta. They have never shrugged the duty when it came time to defend it.

[Foamy T. Squirrel]

I'm hesitant to give orders to my British cousins and friends. But I do believe the President of the United States should have kept his mouth shut. It's not our business in our dealings with the EU or the UK  as long as you continue providing great ales and fish&chips when I visit.

 

[woodworker]

13 hours ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:

I'm hesitant to give orders to my British cousins and friends. But I do believe the President of the United States should have kept his mouth shut. It's not our business in our dealings with the EU or the UK  as long as you continue providing great ales and fish&chips when I visit.

 

Don't forget, this is the same guy who returned that bust of Winston Churchill to Great Britain. 

The truth is, he doesn't give a shit about Great Britain or it's people, just his precious one world order. 

And to me, he's really nothing more than a third rate con man, coming off as smart or clever to only those that are stupid around him.    

[van the man]

I think Obama is definitely no friend of the UK. His sentiments are derived from the influence of his family based in Kenya. They are anti-British and so is Obama.

Obama is a 'cool Dude' and is a very good orator but could anyone explain to me what good has he done for the World? How has he helped protect the Western world from numerous threats from the Middle East, the Far East or Russia? What has he done to stem the flow of Islam and the growth of IS? 

I don't know in what ways he has managed to improve the lives of ordinary Americans? Obamacare has been a disaster according to the few Americans I have spoken to about the subject. Race relations seem a disaster. Black Lives do matter but so do White lives, Hispanic lives and all other lives!!

So what is the legacy of Obama? Other than being the first Black President (which I guess was a great achievement to be voted in) what else will he be remembered for?