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You are off Iggy. You really are stupid. My comments to Foamy were sarcastic. Can you say "sarcastic?" Try again later. I was observing how our American traditions have been perverted by the left so that ordinary forms of Americana no longer are honored, but are subjects of scorn and shame. If you weren't such a stupid asshole, you would be able to see that I was lamenting the diminution of traditional Americana. But no. you say that I subscribe to the send-up views I presented in a jocular fashion in my post. It's really true what they say about you folks. You really really are stupid. That's why you are off Iggy. I now see that it is unfair to hold you to the same standard as the rest of us. It would be like making fun of the spastic on the subway. Nice, decent people don't do that. Similarly, in your case, I hadn't realized the diminished capacity with which you operate here. I should have known when I made an attempt to clarify that a post wasn't specifically aimed your direction and you went into full battle mode, running over my attempts to fix the situation. I now realize that you are doing the best you can and I will refrain from encouraging you to continue to embarrass yourself. Clearly, you are in over your head and it was rude and uncalled for for me to make fun of you the way I did. Perhaps what we need is a "sheltered" forum, sort of like the Special Olympics, where you would feel more comfortable saying the things you say.

I suspect It doesn't know what a joke is unless it is standing naked in front of a mirror.

At an Aussie wedding reception someone yelled: "Would all the married men please stand next to the one person who has made your life worth living." The bartender was almost crushed to death.

ATTENTION AUSTRALIANS: THIS IS A JOKE. I REPEAT: THIS IS A JOKE. IN THIS CASE, SEE, THE JOKE IS THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY HERE. GOT THAT? OH WELL... I GUESS THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR YOU. LOOK UP "JOKE" AND "SATIRE" AND IF YOU FOCUS REALLY HARD, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID IN THE THREAD. GIVE IT A TRY! But you fail to understand The Modern Age. Washington owned slaves and ended up making booze; Jefferson fucked his slaves; Lincoln was a Republican (*pretend to puke*). Indeed, there has only been one true hero in American history, so great that he alone is honored with a holiday. V-E Day? Are you kidding me? That's something for the Russians to celebrate! It was the USSR and the French who won WWII, don't you know! As for V-J Day: you should be a very very ashamed squirrel. V-J Day celebrates the burning and irradiating countless millions of peaceful Japanese flower-arrangers and their Origami-folding kids. Why? Because they were dinks, gooks, slope-heads, slanty-eyed savages deserving of the mushroom cloud! Today, we are enlightened and we know how racist that is. For shame, for shame that anyone would even mention V-J Day! Racist! My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving Day. That's when white Americans celebrate the slaughter and infestation of peace loving Native First Americans and gloat about all the land we stole. Independence Day? Bombs bursting in air? Rockets' red glare? How embarrassingly militaristic! We should all be collectively ashamed of ourselves. The 4th of July should be a day or atonement! Think of all the land we stole. Think of all the smallpox blankets we sold to the First Americans (the Indians, not the banks). Think how slavery has ruined the lives of the Hands Out! Don't Work! people in the inner city. Christmas is a national holiday. What the fuck? Celebrating the butchery of the Mohammedans during The Crusades? Christianity is a gutter religion perpetrated as a scam against Persons Of Color in order to steal their goods. Reparations should be made on December 25th every year and only white people pay, everybody else gets free stuff... especially those who are still suffering the aftereffects of The Crusades. You know, like ISIS/ISIL. On behalf of ALL Americans and ALL white people, you should be ashamed and ask, no beg, this warming planet and its inhabitants for forgiveness!

Posted by: StnCld316 « on: February 09, 2015, 10:51:53 AM Well, yes and no as to constitutionality of the Progressive Income Tax. Earlier taxes were passed by Congress to pay for such things as wars, but the 16th Amendment authorized Congress to pass a graduated (“progressive”) income tax in 1913 and only about one percent of the U.S. population was required to pay the tax and the rate was one percent. From that point on, it cannot be said that the income tax is “unconstitutional,” inasmuch as our Constitutions specifically allows for it. That’s the hard, legal facts. However, I agree that it is contrary to sound fiscal policy and good economics. More importantly, it has become the foremost engine of social engineering and manipulation: corporate welfare, goodies to pork barrel beneficiaries, ways to encourage and discourage things the Several States and the People would like to do. The only solution is to repeal the 16th Amendment and replace it with a tax based not on income but on consumption. The more you buy, the more tax you pay. Food and medicines/medical care would be exempt, but all other goods and services would be subject to a national sales tax – a value added tax. No books to keep, no deductions if you are between 58 and 61 and live on a farm and are not required to pay the Railroad Earnings Reverse Surcharge listed in Schedule X of your IRS Form 2345.3c_1 (rev. today). You get money, you keep money. You buy stuff, you pay a tax. Nothing to file, ever. The new Constitutional amendment would also outlaw progressive state income taxes, allowing the states to raise their sales tax and property tax as high they can. Pretty soon, the stupid states will end up like California, with over 2.3 Trillion unfunded mandates to pay. LOL. The smarter states will lower taxes to encourage investment in those states (see Texas for examples as to how that may work). No 501©(3) charities, church exemptions -- zip. You buy, you pay. If you buy overseas, you pay when you import.

Fortunately for me, the public school indoctrination and the Hollywood story didn't take with me. But then, I was raised by WWI, WWII, and Korean War vets. They always showed respect for our allies. Once again, the stupid son-of-criminals wishes to discuss the manner in which Americans are taught the history of WWII, since the only things it can knock down with its aussie xenophobic zeal are imaginary constructs -- straw dogs invented for the purpose of bitching about a country it knows nothing about. The Hollywood story of WWII is not what my parents were taught and it isn't what I was taught. Great emphasis has always been placed on recognizing the issues and contributions of the Allies, the Axis Powers, the post-WWII split between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., etc. That fool knows so little about American culture, it could fill a library -- if they had libraries there. Its stupidity and lack of knowledge are the equivalent of an American shouting out, "Throw another shrimp on the barbie!" again and again and again, thinking it shows great insight into Australian life, times, culture, and tradition. With folks like that as counterbalance, it's no wonder Australia is being taken over by left wing nut jobs. It has nothing to offer with respect to American culture, except that an implied admission that it is very very jealous of Americans and our achievements. Yeah, we know: Australia and a couple of Pommies won WWII, Asshat.

No, I'm too arrogant and childish to include Ozi in my sphere. Don't fall into the double standard the left always mounts: When a Republican is caught lying, it's all about being dishonest, horrific, typical of the GOP, vindication of the theory that family values don't really exist on the right, etc. When a Democrat is caught lying, the left dismisses it as, "Politicians. They all lie. Nothing new here!" I will battle with anybody who wishes to discuss politics with me. Left, right, or otherwise. When discussing the United States of America and what is happening to her and what the future may bring, I prefer to discuss the matter with (1) other Americans; or (2) non-Americans who have some sort of understanding of American life and culture. Far down the list, one would find the stupid foreign sons of criminals. So, no, I was talking about the economic and technological benefits of both war and the run-up to war -- Exocet Missiles was a foreign example of showing how weapon systems perform in real conflict, etc. For that effort, I received name-calling and no reasonable response, except to learn that this individual dismissed me as arrogant and childish for my efforts. That's fine, that's Its opinion. It can express it however it wishes, but I won't see it, as it's on Iggy. I never put anything worthwhile on Iggy.

An Englishman wanted to become an Irishman, so he visited a doctor to find out how to go about this. "Well", said the doctor, "this is a very delicate operation and there is a lot that can go wrong. I will have to remove half your brain." "That's OK", said the Englishman. "I have always wanted to be Irish and I am prepared to take the risk." The operation went ahead but Englishman woke to find a look of horror on the face of the doctor. "I'm so terribly sorry !" the doctor said "Instead of removing half the brain, I have a taken the whole brain out!" The patient replied, "It's all right mate!"

Ozi -- I tried to fix it, but I can see you have decided that my posts are unworthy of your precious time. I'm sorry you have determined that I am too arrogant and too childish for you. But the solution is easy: Iggy. Bye.

I gather that was meant for me. Read that post and three words come to mind; Arrogance, ignorance and immaturity. No, not specifically, It was a more generalized post, inspired by your bringing up the topic. I wouldn't ascribe personal motivations to another person posting here. I was making a more general observation. Sorry. Adding: It's always a mistake to try and fix miscommunication problems when dealing with blow-hards. I retract my efforts to address the issue of government expenditures in a civilized manner (which you classify as arrogant and childish). Yeah, I'm just an inarticulate child; you really know your stuff, Oswald. I am so impressed. IGGY

Haha. Okay, Oz, but war itself is the best trade show ever! Look at how many Exocet Missiles the French sold after the Falkland Islands demonstration! Desert Storm showed all the nations of the world that the U.S. has some hardware that works in real combat situations. If you have ever gone to a munitions show, you would see that everybody has video of this or that weapon system bravely going around the wall and killing the whatever behind it. Great. So what? No, buyers want to see footage of what happens when the system is under attack -- live fire -- real bogies. You get the picture. Was is excellent for sales, and the U.S. never loses them. Post-war nation building is a different story. Since WWII, the U.S. has never won one of those -- it can't be done. The war in Iraq was over in about 27 days. Had the U.S. gone home, that would have been that. It was the nation building where it was neither wanted or feasible that cost so much blood and treasure. Win, Leave, Return if Necessary, Repeat as needed.

The Adventures of Latice and Pater. Once upon a time there was a loving couple who lived by the sea. Latice's husband, Pater, would leave early in the morning and take his little boat out into the fertile waters. He was a good fisherman and he always caught more than enough for Latice and him to eat. Indeed, that is how they paid the bills: he sold his fresh fish to the fish mongers and to the cafes that sold fresh fish dishes to the tourists and customs officers around noon each day. Latice kept the couple's money hidden on her bedroom shelf, behind her hats and shoes. Pater had no idea how much money Latice as saved, but he knew that, when the fishing was very good very early in the day, he might come back home to find Latice nibbling on a roasted chicken leg. She would sit on the bedroom's balcony and look at the tiny town, the fishing boats, and the sparkling blue waters beyond. Basking in the hot summer sun, she loved to eat her chicken, all by herself, and let the gentle breeze cool her moistening skin. Everyone in town understood how much Latice loved to eat her chicken, alone and in view of the whole town. Inexperienced newcomers, who did not understand how women, hot sun on naked skin, and roasted chicken worked, would gossip and whisper, "Doesn't Pater bring home enough fish for her to eat? That poor thing! A real fisherman would bring home so much fish that she would never go outside, onto their balcony, and feast on chicken, all by herself, in the blazing midday sun. Why, were I her man, she would never have to eat chicken at all!" The other women in the town would hear these comments and, out of both respect and embarrassment, would remain silent, giving each other knowing looks. Finally, a young girl, just entering puberty, spoke up. "I love to get naked and eat chicken, and let the cool sea breezes refresh my shining hot skin! I don't care how much fish anybody put in front of me, there's nothing quite like enjoying some chicken all by yourself, even with others watching." The room grew silent, but the young girl didn't care. She knew what she knew and said what she had to say. Pater was happy that he caught enough fish both to feed Latice and himself, and to feed plenty of others as well. He was pleased that he made enough money that Latice could stroll into town whenever she wished, buy some chicken, and enjoy some time by herself out on the balcony. Pater never thought that a fisherman's wife eating chicken implied that he was not an adequate fisherman. The thought never occurred to him, not only because he knew he was a great fisherman, but also because he knew that Latice's eating chicken that way, naked and in plain view, made her happy. Eventually, the young girl came to visit Lattice, to join her on the balcony, and watch her eat chicken. She, too, loved fish, having come from a well respected fishing family, but she, too, loved to eat chicken -- just as Lattice did, out in the scorching sun. When Latice took it upon herself to show the young girl various ways to enjoy hot roasted chicken, the menfolk in town grumbled, their wives remained silent, but the other young girls understood. Even in a world class fishing village, there is always room for some chicken. Local chicken sales soared.

On a recent TV show, they were discussing the function of envy. What we have seen in this thread recently is a revelation of envy couched in political notions. Anyway, in the TV episode, there were two monkeys in separate but connected plexiglass cages. When M-1 performed a task, he was rewarded with a slice of cucumber (a nice treat for these monkeys). It was very happy performing the task and receiving his reward. That was, however, until M-2 was rewarded with a grape instead of a cucumber slice for performing the exact same task. M-1 went nuts. Fully postal. Shook his cage in rage. It seems that a grapes were much more desirable rewards than were cucumber slices. Had he not witnessed the other monkey getting the grape, he would have been thrilled to work all day for cucumber slices; once he saw how the one-percenters live, with their corrupt military-industrial complex, he went ape shit (NPI) and it was Occupy Monkey Cage real horror show from that point on. That's all you need to know about the politics of envy: it is not something you learn. It is something primates have wired into their brains. Well, at least the less cosmic and philosophical ones. Speaking of monkeys, that is the reason one of the political parties in the U.S. panders to that hard wired sense of [un]fairness at election time: Women against Men; White against Black; Rich against Poor; Gay against Straight, and so on. They realize that their uneducated constituents are still in the lower primate zones. Or something like that. All too often we judge our happiness and base our sense of fairness on what other people have or earn. Fairness over substance. People who complain about folks getting rich by providing materials ordered by the government for military purposes sometimes are unaware of the root causes of their frustration -- which may have less to do with their points of view than with some selfish and intrinsic "fairness" construct and value system. They see the goal as not being equity, but equality. "If I don't get to live at the beach, nobody should. It should be owned by The People, and everybody should have a fair chance to live at the beach!" Essentially, that is an anti-social mechanism. But I Might Be Wrong.

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The terrorists will have to get their dirty deeds done before January 20, 2017 when the next President of the United States takes the oath of office. It will be a moment for ISIS and others not dissimilar to that moment when Coward Carter stepped aside for President Ronald Reagan (the U.S. Embassy hostages had to clear Iranian air space before Reagan took the oath of office later that day). Under the Walker Administration, the U.S. will return to its position as the world's superpower, the U.S. economy will surge like it hasn't surged since the end of WWII, the U.S. will become energy independent, and the other nations of the world will see a strong friend and ally, not some ineffectual metrosexual Mizzie at the U.S. helm. Walker on the issues: http://www.ontheissues.org/Scott_Walker.htm Elect Scott Walker, A REAL American President

Good point, F.T. On the left, "facts" actually consist of non-causal correlations. That is the coin of that realm. Since they major in Feelings at school, they never learned that correlation never suggests causality. To wit.:

Ummm.... yeah.... okay. But that only makes sense if you believe in the Labour Theory of Value. Simple return on investment would be an easier concept to manipulate, at least with that you can factor in collateral damage, even if that is your own troops. War doesn't produce goods or services, it is a consumer of those products. The production and sale of weapons is what makes the millionaires. And if it means the death of the consumer, they'll just get the government, who they control, to conscript more consumers. Uh oh. Hear that? That was the "WRONG" buzzer that just went off. War and the preparation for war are two of the greatest engines of technological innovation. But for the USSR threat, the U.S. never would have built the rocketry used in the Apollo and ISS programs. It is the competition with the Soviet Union that spawned the U.S. space program or, as JFK said: Why does Rice [university] play [the University of] Texas? “Within these last 19 months at least 45 satellites have circled the earth. Some 40 of them were "made in the United States of America" and they were far more sophisticated and supplied far more knowledge to the people of the world than those of the Soviet Union. “Those who came before us made certain that this country rode the first waves of the industrial revolutions, the first waves of modern invention, and the first wave of nuclear power, and this generation does not intend to founder in the backwash of the coming age of space. We mean to be a part of it--we mean to lead it. For the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding. “We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.” -JFK Rice University September 12, 1962 ... and, as a result of said space program, electronics and electronic miniaturization was developed. Indeed, we own our iPhones' development to the Cold War.

Ummm.... yeah.... okay. But that only makes sense if you believe in the Labour Theory of Value.

Why, thems ain't "facts," by golly. Thems be "Hate-Facts!" How racist!