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Yeah, maybe so, and Sakrok maybe adult enough to ignore it, but to attack someone like that isn't cool.

Nah. That kind of behavior is unacceptable. Cut 'im loose and let him find another playground to be a bully.

This is the first time I've recommended the use of the Ban Hammer. John P needs to go away as ruffly as can be managed.

Yes, we welcome you in, and then corrupt you horribly. Oui, nous vous accueillons dans, puis vous corrompre horriblement. :nana:

yeah, Thanks, got that wrong twice now.

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I agree. we must be patient. After all we were all jaded by K and K but they didn't start off being that intimate. It grew over time. Give Kristy a bit of time and Karmic encouragement to loosen up. She may yet surprise us.

Folks, I believe you are all jaded with K and K. Remeber it took a while for things to get going there. Be patient. At least Jenny and Kristy are now talking and smilling where they weren't at first.

I know this is a bit off topic but upndown reminded me of a story I read in one of my Grandads books on our heritage. During the time when Hadrian Ceaser occupied England the Scotsmen, being a frisky bunch, would harry the roman outposts so that they wouldn't forget they can't conquer Scotland. Finally, having had enough of that, the Romans decided to send a legion north into the hills to put a stop to that nonsence. The Romans, being masters of logistics, sent the legion of soldiers north in the winter because the generals thought they would have time to prepare. I don't remember exactly where this took place, but the Romans encountered some very nasty weather and had to hunker down for a blizzard. In the middle of this storm the Romans heard the distinctive sound of a bagpipe but couldn't tell where it was coming from and it scared the young ones who had never encountered this sort of thing. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, the romans were set upon by a mere 300, screaming, NAKED, axe-wielding, broadsword-swinging Scots. Even though the Scots were outnumbered 4:1 the romans were so discumbobulated by this, they were decimated before they organize themselves enough to run the right direction home. They built Hadrian's wall shortly afterward...which didn't really help. I am sure there is a more accurate version of this but it wouldn't be as fun in the tellin'.

He did. He gave you the bagpipes to drive off the Romans...screaming...holding their ears. :) Just kidding. I'm proud to have McGregor in my heritage by way of the McGehees of America. My son even bears the name of the youngest son of the last Scottish King. Thanks to Anne Stewart and her bloody proscription there aren't many Sons of Gregor left.

This may be an observation by an old fart, but, remember being told you can't own a car or firearm until you are old enough and responsible enough to use it properly? There is a parrallel here. The Persions had some some of the most beautiful architecture anywhere. They were as advanced -or in some cases more advanced- as the west and east in math, science, and medicine. However, the western church held us back until it started fragmenting into various protestant sects forcing it to eventually grow up. At that point their thinkers found the western society more conducive to forward thinking and that is pretty much where the muslim society stagnated. Going forward 300 years or so, our technology has grown so fast it is starting to outpace our own level of maturity. The middle eastern techno society only grew where it was exposed to the west but their social maturity did not. It stayed where we left them 300 years back. They had no resources we needed since we no longer needed access to their trade routes...that is until we found oil. They were yanked into the 20th century and without giving them a chance to grow up and gave them access to tools - and weapons- their society was not mature enough or responsible enough to possess much less use; and all the money they could ever want. Now like a spoiled brat, they think they have every right to everything we have and the arrogance of their religion to use our tech against us. They are trashing the house and we are patting them on the head and telling them we will buy them a toy if they behave. We need to be taking them out to the wood pile thrashing them to within an inch their lives for their behavior and then grounding them until they learn the proper way to act. Of course we have a few of our leaders who need the same treatment. Like the Prime Directive in Star Trek we need to consider who gets our technology...period.

Yes you are right Linked, for the most part. The point is there have been Muslims living peacefully in this country for more than 100 years; we are the melting pot of the world. None have ever tried to run for POTUS because of their severe minority status and their religious convictions. However, this guy from CAIR is trying to force the issue into the open, as has happened recently with homosexual marriages and immigration, and Dr Carson walked into the trap, set by President Obama, and sprung it. There is too much hatred and distrust on both sides for there to be a peaceful resolution to this issue. Also the fighting between the different sects would cause a catastrophe that would only end badly for every muslim in this country.

I'm changing the subject a bit. Although I think that everyone should be free to practice whatever religion they want, that religion must adhere to the law of the land. Kennedy was the first Catholic president but the tenets of Catholosism still fit within the morals of our country so the question of religion has not become important until now. Could a Muslim president separate his faith from his job? An important question. Present POTUS accepted, I don't believe so. The Muslim faith IS their government. Our society and our form of government is an athema to the basic tenets of their faith. The barbarism shown by the insane portion of Islam and the troubles that are arising because the silent majority of Islam will not speak out against their barbarism, would be the ruination of our country no matter how honorable (or dishonorable as shown by the present POTUS) the prospective Muslim president. Article VI of the US Constitution was to assure we didn't judge fitness to govern by the religious viewpoints held by the candidates, and to assure separation of religion and government. Although Muslims weren't specically mentioned, or prohibited, they were not in our minds when the article was voted in. Had our lawmakers remembered the war with the Barbary coast of Africa they might have made some provision for Islamic candidates. If CAIR wants this to be fair they first need to address the problems we are having with the middle east and not try and make us blind to it. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/muslim-group-cair-slams-ben-carson-unfit-lead/story?id=33920801

If she has any water on her bottom maybe it'll look like a geyser. ;D

It was Mulatto? I thought it was a Quadroon.

Just when you thought you didn't know what the heck is going on in the world I hit you with this: http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/military-experts-iran-already-has-nuclear-weapons/ I found that if I want to know things about an issue without the gateway pundits mucking it up, I ask the un-PC questions such as, "Has China and North Korea been helping Iran further its nuclear weapons program?" The above link was one of many that showed up which were not linked to the TV media. Another question was, "Why was Ambassador Stevens assassinated?" Everyone thinks he was just killed in an attack by an "extremist muslim" group. Or that he had found the missing $8B dollars that had been paid to Obama's half brother to broker an arms deal to several North African militant groups, such as Boko Haram. He was actually going to blow the whistle on the Bush-Clinton Cartel concerning the movement of nuclear weapons from Libya, where they were being kept after being moved from Iraq during Bush's hunt for WMD's, to Syria. From there, fissionable materials would be moved into Iran where they would be out of touch for us. When I asked the question, "Why was Vince Foster murdered?" I found out that the Clinton's "The Children's Defense Fund" slush fund was established during Reagan's administration as a slush fund for Bill and Hillary's CIA activities. Y'all may have known that but I didn't. When Bill Clinton helped Wen Ho Lee steal our nuclear warhead secrets back in '95 he also helped them steal the most comprehensive map of the satellites, both private and military, in the world. Up to that point we would only lend it and we were the only allowed to retrieve it. Until China deliberately blew up one of their satellite launches over the Gobi and refused to allow us to retrieve the black box map. I welcome arguments.

Thanks Woody. That song always reminds me of an old lecher who lived down the street from where I grew up in Houston. He sure liked the young girls. His wife ( go figure) was about 30 or so years his junior and athletic, but she'd tell us she had no interest in little boys. I always thought she meant age till I was about 15yrs old. That's when I found out the wife's twin sister didn't always come to visit just her...I obviously didn't measure up, in many ways.

I already revealed I am 59, but I have done and seen a lot of stuff. My physical shortcomings are due to the punishment I've inflicted on myself, from free-running (before it was called that), grand prix motorcycle racing, clearing out biker bars while in the military, and hiking parts of the Appalachians. I've been bald since I was 22 but have never been vain enough for rug, or a Trump-over. I have used tube driven computers, developed computing systems that communicated with the directional drilling equipment for the oil exploration biz. Explored for oil both on and off shore. Surveyed ranches so large we had to camp out for days at a time and account for curvature of the earth in land area calculations. I helped develop PC audio with Crystal Semiconductor/ Cirrus Logic, back in the early 90s, DSL Lite, and I have one of the first MP3 hardware codecs, out of the fab, hanging on my "wall of fame" still in it's protoboard that I designed and built for Sigmatel, and it's topless so we could probe it during its development stages. Now I am letting my kids take over for a while. As far as grammar goes, I have a fairly large and well developed lexicon, though I might not always show it and I know how to properly construct a sentence though sometimes I take a creative license. English es mi lengua primera, but I understand Spanish and Castillano good enough to get by. I can read Duetch, Español, Italiano, and Hanguli (because of my wife's biological mom). So, if any of you young bucks think you can outsmart me, prepare to get eaten by an old wolf....so there!

Woody, that's only my chronological age. After 6 days of moving I'm feeling a fine, limber 80ish...you old fart.

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Linked, you are right and wrong. WWI and II are good examples of letting the generals fight the war if we want to come out ahead. However keep in mind that neither Europe nor Japan had any natural resources we wanted, and we rebuilt their infrastructure after we beat the hell out of them. They came out ahead as a result; though in a different way than they had planned, so they have no need to fight us any more. The middle east is a different animal. It is difficult to fight a person who is so willing to die for their God, no matter what the cause, that they will commit suicide and take as many innocents with them as they can; or they will coerce their young children to do so. Yes, we wanted their oil and we bargained in good faith for it, but when the work was done and paid for (out of our own pockets because they couldn't afford it) they expected us to just hand it over to them, lock-stock-and barrel. Case in point BP -formerly known as Anglo-Iranian Oil Company- was started by the Shah but was taken over and nationalized when the Ayatollah took over. We should have used our own resources but the environmentalists were making the oil companies be responsible, but that was expensive so we went after the middle east because it was easier and cheaper. The passenger jet bombing over Lockerbie in the early 70's was related to the PLA who wanted their share of Jerusalem after we gave the Israelis Israel , so was the Munich-Olympic hostage crisis. The Tehran hostage crisis was because we gave shelter to the deposed Shah of Iran and that pissed off some pro-Ayatollah activists. Not all has been about oil. Don't forget the first conflict we had with muslims was at Tripoli because they were attacking our trade vessels, selling the prisoners as slaves, and keeping the ships so we tried a treaty first and then this, "Disgruntled that his treaty with America (made in 1797) did not require annual tribute, Tripoli’s bashaw, Joseph Karamanli, declared war by annulling it and chopping down the American flagpole near his castle. He wrote Jefferson demanding a $225,000 gift and $25,000 annually; the president called these requests “groundless & insolent” and, in a humorous understatement, added that America’s answer was “sent by the squadron.”" A reference to this is made in the U.S. Marine Fight song. It was known as the Barbary Coast Wars or Tripolitarian War. Muslims from one country or another has been after us since we got here.

This may not be exactly on topic, but another thing that has gotten out of hand is the enforced use of credit and the giving away of earned value. My wife and I have chosen to live within our means instead of relying on credit to get stuff we normally can't afford. It has been tough sometimes but in the end we get what we need and want (when it's reasonable). Then I see some family, who lives on handouts (welfare, subsidized housing, etc), gets mad when they can't have what they want, and then sues for it. My old landlord was sick and tired of the hike of the property taxes which have tripled for him over the last 5 years. When we moved in 5 years ago his taxes were about $4500/yr; this year they are $12,400! For a $290K home! He gave up and put his house up for sale so we had to move. Now we get bitten by the credit hounds; since we don't have a credit card and haven't had any loans in more than a decade we don't pass credit checks and can't get a loan for a house we can clearly afford, and prospective landlords wouldn't even look at us. Luckily our old landlord stepped in and bargained with the new landlord to trust us as responsible tenants. So, what happens next? His house gets bought by a developer who is going to put in section 8 (gov't subsidized) housing so that the "less fortunate" will have a nice new, safe place to live. Our old neighborhood was older and well kept with little or no crime. The taxes went up artificially, because people were tearing down the old $200K house and erecting two $450K+ houses on the same lot, but now with this going-to-be-slum dwelling going in, all the gentrification that has driven us out will now be destroyed by the new residents who will destroy the neighborhood within a few years. I don't know where most of you live but I know Woody is seeing this where he lives (We're practically neighbors).

Hey! Did you know her too?

This is a bit off topic but I wanted to throw in my two cents worth. I don't know if this is fact, but common sense says, if homosexuality is a genetic predisposition then how is a homosexual going to pass on that gene? If a human, who's sexual proclivity is homosexual, can't pass on the gene then that genetic trait would have died off within a few generations. So, I believe that homosexuality is a personal preference you either knew as a kid or decided later on. In the animal kingdom (in which we are a member, but that's another discussion) there would not be homosexuality -or is very rare- since that trait would be quickly eliminated by nature because nature abhors a vacuum and animals in nature do not adopt out-of-species (only in zoos where the struggle for life is not acute) simply because they choose not to mate with the opposite gender. Only among humans can homosexuality exist since we associate sex with pleasure and have it, even when not in rut, whenever and with whomever we want.

Thanks Woody et al, for defending me. I can't believe she (or whatever gender "she" may be) suggested I might be a Goody-two-shoes. I try so hard to be bad but everyone around just ends up breaking into hearty peals of laughter then someone hands me a beer and everything is again right in the world. So, to you Angel D :P.