Matilda & Emily

[Sparkles]

1 minute ago, pahman said:

Well, no matter how some characterize VH or want VH to follow a strict path they think is the right one, VH is not dead and will be standing for a long time.

It's VH that characterizes them selves like that.. But totally agree VH is not dead and no one wants VH to be dead while there still are some interesting and good houses. When that stop to happens like others sites on the internet they will be just another porno site 

[waldi]

6 minutes ago, zoifan said:

 

Speaking "wasting time", perhaps it is waste of time to try to maintain a logical debate with someone who uses tone like highlighted above.

Haven't you learned that using that tone gradually (5 or 6 more exchange) causes heated flame? 

 

inciting to uprising is quite far from logical debate, Mr Teacher

[pahman]

7 minutes ago, zoifan said:

No, I do not consider girls who use plastic and show fake orgasms real. 

And these "two young girls" are far below the grade of elite porn-star girls that are from the best of the best porn networks that I have premium subscription - all with the 25% of VH monthly cost.   

 

 

So are you 100% sure that those girls you say are real don't fake orgasms? That they are not doing it just to get more views like these young girls do it to get more tokens?

[zoifan]

33 minutes ago, Amy3 said:

Thanks for vote of confidence in me. I wish I could. James has already made it perfectly clear that he does not value preserving fly on the wall type voyeurism. He is following the path of the money and it's going to lead him to Spygasm type voyeurism. The money is just too good to pass up. One day he will wake up and realize that in his insistance to avoid being a copy of RLC, he walked right into becoming a copy of Spygasm. It's inevitable! Oh sure, there will always be some aspect of voyeurism here, but by in large it's a platform for people to work the cams for money, not so much a place for real people to live their real life on cam.  Cancel your sub and tell them why. That's all you can do really.

 

But I don't see a fundamental issue with VH. The problematic trend comes from the gargamel places. 

 

Also, the way that I see it, I think VH is not seeing the loophole in the business model - yet. cam apartments do not pay commission out of their CC income to gargamel or VH. They use VH platform to make direct money where someone like Misty can put the very same effort to have happier VH subscribers ( as opposed with CB sus) and provide profit for VH (as opposed with CB). Perhaps that is one of the reasons VH cannot afford to provide 1080p streaming yet.

 

 

 

 

[pahman]

2 minutes ago, Sparkles said:

It's VH that characterizes them selves like that.. But totally agree VH is not dead and no one wants VH to be dead while there still are some interesting and good houses. When that stop to happens like others sites on the internet they will be just another porno site 

I say this because VH is a company, and they follow the path they think is more profitable to them. They think that permitting cam girls in VH might help them get more subscribers from the Chaturbate community.

[Sparkles]

1 minute ago, zoifan said:

 

But I don't see a fundamental issue with VH. The problematic trend comes from the gargamel places. 

 

Also, the way that I see it, I think VH is not seeing the loophole in the business model - yet. cam apartments do not pay commission out of their CC income to gargamel or VH. They use VH platform to make direct money where someone like Misty can put the very same effort to have happier VH subscribers ( as opposed with CB sus) and provide profit for VH (as opposed with CB). Perhaps that is one of the reasons VH cannot afford to provide 1080p streaming yet.

Don't forget that Jeka is above Gargamel.. Viki&Kate, Kiki&Mike, Evie&Mike aren't from gargamel

about the bold: Some of them use affiliate links to VH on chaturbate for some reason

[zoifan]

3 minutes ago, pahman said:

So are you 100% sure that those girls you say are real don't fake orgasms? That they are not doing it just to get more views like these young girls do it to get more tokens?

I am 100% sure those professional internationally recognized porn-stars do fake orgasms. That is not my point. 

I struggle to make a point here.

 

When I like to see fake orgasms, I go to far superior porn  networks, and watch elite porn-stars do whatever in 4K quality.

 

What is the point of coming to VH to get sub quality porn in low resolution?

The reason that VH can exist beside massively bigger porn titans like Brazzers, RK, MOFOS,  TeamSkeet or  BangBros - and charge 4 times more is not  showing such cheap quality sub-720p porn.  

 

 

 

[zoifan]

7 minutes ago, Sparkles said:

Don't forget that Jeka is above Gargamel.. Viki&Kate, Kiki&Mike, Evie&Mike aren't from gargamel

about the bold: Some of them use affiliate links to VH on chaturbate for some reason

 

in regards to , VH pays well when an affiliate links results to a successful sales, links are not just in CB, there are everywhere. 

 

[Sparkles]

16 minutes ago, pahman said:

I say this because VH is a company, and they follow the path they think is more profitable to them. They think that permitting cam girls in VH might help them get more subscribers from the Chaturbate community.

I totally know their reasons and had said it more then once (today here was one of them)  .. Nothing new on there . And once more i say that to me even not being a favorable thing or that i'm an intense viewer, still prefer (in comparing) cb houses instead of cam shows/staged done directly to VH cams

[Sparkles]

Just now, zoifan said:

 

in regards to , VH pays well when an affiliate links results to a successful sales, links are not just in CB, there are everywhere. 

 

So there you have the commission part. Even on twitter that is used

[zoifan]

21 minutes ago, waldi said:

inciting to uprising is quite far from logical debate, Mr Teacher

 

"Mr Teacher" ????  You think I am not able to strike back with a label? Better idea, how about you focus on enjoying these two fine ladies. 

 

[zoifan]

18 minutes ago, pahman said:

They think that permitting cam girls in VH might help them get more subscribers from the Chaturbate community.

Hmmm, that is an interesting point. Need to think about it. CB has millions of subs. The vh cam apartments can be used as a very powerful marketing campaign, while people pay tokens for the shows.