Robwin Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, moos54 said: We have complaints from a lot of people who are not necessarily part of these clubs, so that means that the problem does not necessarily come from that only the system is not perfect, we are not perfect, but we try to do the best People have convictions and like to defend them, personally I have nothing against that since I have mine If I listened to myself, sometimes I would punish everyone, we must not forget my avatar photo With all respect, In other words just a big cop out from doing anything at all to improve the situation. Yes stubbornness, a feeling of superiority by some towards others? i don't know and personally don't care if i am honest but it is a shame to see what it is doing to the whole forum generally. Most people just want to get on with each other and have a laugh sometimes but as in life sometimes, the minority seem to want to get control over the majority. And what is it all over? a bloody porn site for gods sake which, in your own words, is just camgirls and porn actresses and others aiming for the same lofty heights lol. Even the posted pics are the same basically over and over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, AmyAmyAmy said: I am more then happy to forgive and forget and move on. You fail to see the flip side of the coin and to see how they too shame away members of the public forum. You have alligance with them and so you cannot be objective in your judgement. They are a large group of your most promient posters and they are purposely coordinating an effort from within their club to ignore and shun members with the effort of a team and you think that this is harmless and that the members in the public forums should just roll over to it? This club is a bully and it has been proven to be a bully many times over. It's members are not individuals anymore they are part of a team. They are the preppy kids in high-school who have all the connections to the cool kid parties and they are purposely targeting the underclass and you moderators have for a long time just turned your head to what is really going on. To the demise of the public forum even and yet I am the problem for speaking out against it. Because you think you don't? wake up a bit I think we moderators are old enough to know how to sort things out otherwise I think a lot of borderline members would not be on the forum for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy3 Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, moos54 said: I agree that Jabbath did not act well at the start of his club and that's also why we acted on our side Did we do everything right, maybe not but that's how it is you underestimate the power of the PM, you can easily do focus groups with at least 30 people or more and generate a lot more feed than a club I know it from experience and yet these same members continue to discuss for certain on the public forum Yes, you can and there may very well be many of those, but do they make themselves known and use that platform to target other members of the forum to be ignored and shunned? Again, this club holds the power and something of value to people who belong. It is run by THE 2 most prominent members of your forum. Both of whom get benefits from VHTV and hold the keys to knowledge and content directly from the site itself. These are not mere members who are gathering to share videos in secret. To be fair this forum is a theft of the VHTV forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy3 Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, moos54 said: Because you think you don't? wake up a bit I think we moderators are old enough to know how to sort things out otherwise I think a lot of borderline members would not be on the forum for a long time trust me you don't and you of all of the moderators are the least effective in this regard primarily because you are a member of the club yourself and you do in fact use the power to provide clarifications on the status of other members. Remember, I know about that. Want to see the pic again? the truth is that the club is used as a base so that they can be their true selves, where they have total control over the field of play. but that isn't enough for them, no they also need to control the public forum as well, and they do control it. just look what happens when someone dares go against them. they come after them as a team. they report posts as a team. they target other members, who they don't like as a team. Sorry, but you don't see what is plain as day. This club is like no other club in that this club is a bully that hurts other members, which in turn hurts the public forum. That's what makes this club different then PMs and other clubs. I fail to see how you cannot see it, except to understand that you don't want to see it because you might lose you own ticket to the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, AmyAmyAmy said: Yes, you can and there may very well be many of those, but do they make themselves known and use that platform to target other members of the forum to be ignored and shunned? Again, this club holds the power and something of value to people who belong. It is run by THE 2 most prominent members of your forum. Both of whom get benefits from VHTV and hold the keys to knowledge and content directly from the site itself. These are not mere members who are gathering to share videos in secret. To be fair this forum is a theft of the VHTV forums. Being perfectly honest with you, the two people you accuse of hiding information are not really doing so as I see a lot of these so-called state secrets on the public forum. Problem is, you're at war over something really trivial that doesn't really impact the public forum (I'm talking about clubs) Always being honest with you, I share a lot of PM with groups of people (RLC fans) who could no longer be the targets of other members every time they posted something on the forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyFatboy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, AmyAmyAmy said: Then as public members prove themselves worthy they can be beamed up into the promise land of the good stuff and the public forum suffers the loss. BINGO BANGO BONGO!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, AmyAmyAmy said: trust me you don't and you of all of the moderators are the least effective in this regard primarily because you are a member of the club yourself and you do in fact use the power to provide clarifications on the status of other members. Remember, I know about that. Want to see the pic again? the truth is that the club is used as a base so that they can be their true selves, where they have total control over the field of play. but that isn't enough for them, no they also need to control the public forum as well, and they do control it. just look what happens when someone dares go against them. they come after them as a team. they report posts as a team. they target other members, who they don't like as a team. Sorry, but you don't see what is plain as day. This club is like no other club in that this club is a bully that hurts other members, which in turn hurts the public forum. That's what makes this club different then PMs and other clubs. I fail to see how you cannot see it, except to understand that you don't want to see it because you might lose you own ticket to the club. Photo of what? I have nothing to hide Amy You can think what you want, I know that you are wrong about a lot of things, whether it is on the moderators or the functioning of this forum Frankly this kind of "Team" has existed for a long time, long before the arrival of VHTV, and did not need to create a club for it. Some people share the same ideas and convictions and it is also normal that they act in the same way towards other members who could be more virulent about their ideas and convictions, this is how society and world works, just have a look at what's going on in the politics topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy3 Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, moos54 said: Being perfectly honest with you, the two people you accuse of hiding information are not really doing so as I see a lot of these so-called state secrets on the public forum. Problem is, you're at war over something really trivial that doesn't really impact the public forum (I'm talking about clubs) Always being honest with you, I share a lot of PM with groups of people (RLC fans) who could no longer be the targets of other members every time they posted something on the forum. Sorry, but I know a little better than that. There are thousands of posts amoung these 2 members in the club. I am not at war. I'm responding to you that's all. I know it may seem that I am on a battle footing, I am not. I don't want this anymore. I already destoyed myself enough over it and I don't want to do it any more. I fully accept that this club exists and I understand that the Admin is not going to lift a finger to do anything about it. None of that negates the arguements that I have made or the consequences of it's existence. I am merely explaining this to you and perhaps others so that they can understand what is actually going on too. I have nothing really left to say about it, but if someone is interested to ask me here I will be happy to share my views on the matter. I put this topic here for this very purpose so that hopefully talk of the clubs be it postive or negative can be taken out of the public sphere and moved her out of view. As for me, I just want to be left in peace to speak my mind about all sorts of things in the public forum without being called a troll or that my comments are bullshit or that I am nt a good person. I apologised for losing my cool and going overboard. I paid the ultimate price for doing so and I would imagine that I am hanging by a thread as we speak. I just want to be left in peace to say what I want to say in the public forums and as long as I am not breaking the rules I hope that you moderators will do something when I too am targeted by them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy3 Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, moos54 said: Photo of what? I have nothing to hide Amy You can think what you want, I know that you are wrong about a lot of things, whether it is on the moderators or the functioning of this forum Frankly this kind of "Team" has existed for a long time, long before the arrival of VHTV, and did not need to create a club for it. Some people share the same ideas and convictions and it is also normal that they act in the same way towards other members who could be more virulent about their ideas and convictions, this is how society and world works, just have a look at what's going on in the politics topic A photo I have of you collaborating with members inside of the club wherein you relay information about which accounts do and don't belong to me. You are an agent for the club and I have a picture to prove it. Again you do not see what you don't want to see. You are blinded by your alligance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thestarider Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, moos54 said: I'm sorry but you can also do a lot of things in PM and have a lot of members too and that also puts members out of the public forum You even when you do PM you put yourself outside the public forum I have often seen you refer to this famous club whose misdeeds you often denounce on the public forum, except that often it is quite calm in this club because the members talk and share a lot more in the public forum Maybe these clubs aren't the best idea we've had but they are an integral part of this forum now. And they don't have as much influence on the flow of the public forum as you think you know, I'm even convinced that there is a lot more flow with PMs and yet I have never seen anyone to complain about that Both should be used very limited as it does in fact ruin the forum experience, and these underground groups have killed this forum's membership participation. I very seldom agree with Amy, but they are absolutely correct in their assumption of the clubs and the underground PM groups. I am against them whole heartedly. There were no clubs or underground PM groups when I joined this forum almost 7 years ago now, and it has gone to shit because most of the good forum posters have either left or gone to hide underground. What good is forum if you can't post and expect to be debated on your thoughts ? that is what is wrong with our kids today, they do not know how to be social or to handle criticism, or someone who has a completely different point of view. That is and always was the purpose of forums, open and honest discussion about various topics. This really does no longer happen on this forum mainly because those who couls and use to participate simply do not any longer. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyFatboy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, moos54 said: I agree that Jabbath did not act well at the start of his club and that's also why we acted on our side Did we do everything right, maybe not but that's how it is you underestimate the power of the PM, you can easily do focus groups with at least 30 people or more and generate a lot more feed than a club I know it from experience and yet these same members continue to discuss for certain on the public forum OH...so you are a member of a PM club LMAO...well, goody goody for you!! I personally agree with 3Amy's in that PM's are 99% made up of two forum members just conversing with each other and the majority of the time it has absolutely nothing to do with the forum or RLC. I have forum members I talk to in PM and the large majority of the time we talk about what's next for your boat or spark plug tolerances and no talk about you, the secret clubs, the forum members, or RLC. Private clubs take any and all fun out of the forum by limiting valued content that should be shared in the forum and I personally agree that they shouldn't be allowed. I know in your response you will come back with some smart ass answer like....you don't even watch RLC but you're hear everyday or what does it matter what goes on in RLC, you don't care. So let's see which one it is!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, AmyAmyAmy said: A photo I have of you collaborating with members inside of the club wherein you relay information about which accounts do and don't belong to me. You are an agent for the club and I have a picture to prove it. Again you do not see what you don't want to see. You are blinded by your alligance. a member asked a question, I just answered him, I did not exceed my rights as you can understand I find it funny that you can have this kind of proof but still not have all the right information You accuse me of being blind but you have it just as much because you only try to make your arguments without taking into account the whole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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