What The United States Has In Store For Their Citizens

[woodworker]

Don't you just love it when Karen starts talking dirty to a liberal.  I personally think she should be awarded our honorary "Brass Knuckles" award for her refusing to entertain in her brain the usual liberal dribble.

She's kind of like our own smaller version of the Statue of Liberty, but it isn't a torch that she's holding up to the world, but more like a 'Cat o' Nine Tails' instead, for all you mind numbing, deranged little liberals, who really do need a good lashing every now and then. 

Good for you Karen. 

PS. I recently got done pistol whipping one of those gun control advocates on you tube a few days ago. 

It was a lot of fun.   

       

 

[KarenKraft]

Don't you just love it when Karen starts talking dirty to a liberal.  I personally think she should be awarded our honorary "Brass Knuckles" award for her refusing to entertain in her brain the usual liberal dribble.

She's kind of like our own smaller version of the Statue of Liberty, but it isn't a torch that she's holding up to the world, but more like a 'Cat o' Nine Tails' instead, for all you mind numbing, deranged little liberals, who really do need a good lashing every now and then. 

Good for you Karen. 

PS. I recently got done pistol whipping one of those gun control advocates on you tube a few days ago. 

It was a lot of fun.   

       

My goodness.  That almost made me blush.  Thank you for your kind and thoughtful words.

[Foamy T. Squirrel]

Look kids, I personally like kalevipoeg. He's a good member & I enjoy his input.

But if you-- by which I mean Woody & KK -- are getting into it, we'd like to see some pictures or vids. Just don't post 'em on UL, OK? Dirty bin would work...

In fact, maybe we could get Kiko to set you two up in Barcelona, eh?

[KarenKraft]

Look kids, I personally like kalevipoeg. He's a good member & I enjoy his input.

But if you-- by which I mean Woody & KK -- are getting into it, we'd like to see some pictures or vids. Just don't post 'em on UL, OK? Dirty bin would work...

In fact, maybe we could get Kiko to set you two up in Barcelona, eh?

Okay.  I have to admit that I am humbled by the artistry and word craft that produces poetic prose like:

"I have wondered for long time why some of the U.S. right wing conservatives want to gather here on a voyer site for praising the right to own and use arms and for scolding President Obama who in our European eyes has managed to improve the lifes of lower and middle class people, in spite that conservatives do their best to prevent every change. I guess the name "The Old Dudes Board" is very locking, but isn´t there a "Tea Party" chat site on the web also - that would be more dedicated to these opinions?"

It's hard to compete with genius like that, isn't it, Squirrel?  He is saying that my kind of politics aren't welcome here on the "voyer" chat site -- you know, the one that is good for the lifes of peoples. 

I may disagree with the gentleman, but I will defend, to the death, his right to eat shit and die on his birthday. 

[Ozi]

I'm just curious where the notion that in European eyes Obama has managed to improve the lives of lower and middle class people. Maybe they get a different news service to Australia.

I've watched and read many reports on issues like forced integration with busing, that has many middle class (and yes probably Republican voters but that's not an improvement) moving and giving up their homes and lifestyle because they felt so strongly against it. I've read plenty of articles in relation to Obamacare, even read some of the legislation itself, and am aware of the numerous pitfalls.

I have intimate knowledge of the poor, possibly criminal approach to the middle east crisis which has now led to a more dangerous scenario that will eventually cost more allied lives. Sadly, many of the soldiers killed since the first Iraqi invasion, have probably died in vain. (treason comes to mind).

I watched an unbelievable documentary only last week on the total decline of Detroit, with schools, doctors surgeries, factories all left to rot. Residential areas that have no street lighting or basic services like rubbish collection because the city has no funds (and the people left are lower class and that's not an improvement). Interestingly I discovered in some additional reading on the subject that the city has had Democrat mayors for the last 50 years. Coincidence?

Again, what is reported in Europe?

[yadevol]

I'm just curious where the notion that in European eyes Obama has managed to improve the lives of lower and middle class people. Maybe they get a different news service to Australia.

That is an interesting, large question.

I am sure the answer is very complex, but writing from a British European context if I had to focus on one thing it is Obamacare. I would say that most western europeans find it bewildering that the US is practically the only significant country without universal access to non-emergency healthcare and are amazed that fixing this problem is such a contentious issue. I can see that Obamacare is an overly complex partial fix as a result of the need to compromise to get it passed. But, it has produced real increases in the proportion of insured people. 

I discount the middle east. US policy has been a screwup there since at least 1980 and hasn't significantly changed between democrats and republicans. The idea that Dubya or McCain or Romney would have handled the last 6 years any better than they have been handled is risible.

[albacore]

I am not sure why Europe has the idea that people do not have "universal access to non-emergency healthcare".  Everyone has access to healthcare in the US.  Always have.  The majority of people here either have insurance or pay for services.

There are many clinics and places people can go even if they can not pay or do not have insurance.  It is actually one of the reasons our health insurance cost is high here.  Hospitals get reimbursed at a higher rate than other medical facilities and doctors because the have to treat patients who do not have insurance and therefore are allowed to re coop some of that expense. Many do not understand that.

The US has a great healthcare system and some of the best hospitals and doc's anywhere. It is not perfect.  But the world comes here to be treated when very ill.  In the US you really do not need to wait for care.  A specialist my take a little time to see as they are busy, but if urgent they generally get you in.  Our good neighbor Canada, who has a "national system" has it's citizens come over the boarder to get treatment (I know personally a few) as we can do it very quickly without a wait.  It's not that their system is bad but apparently not as responsive to elective procedures or non life threatening illnesses.

You can get a MRI or other test done in a day or so.  Knee, hip or other transplant done in a week or even immediately if an emergency.  In general the system is good.  It is however expensive.

The issue that Europe is fooled by is the "politics" of who is going to pay if someone has no money or insurance - which is somehow translated that people have no access.  What Obamacare does (in the wrong way IMHO) is try to get those who use the system but do not contribute to get insurance and pay something.  By requiring everyone to get and pay for some insurance or pay a minimal tax.  Many have chosen not to bother.  Most (majority) here do have some coverage of some type and do pay something.  I actually know people who have chosen not to bother paying for the insurance as they know they can go to the ER and get treatment if needed.  So basically, Obamacare is really not working.  Don't be fooled by the manipulated numbers that are produced by the Obama administration. They are slanted to prove their point.  It is all politics. 

I have just come back from a vacation and met many people from Europe.  I can verify that they do think Obama has helped the poor with Obamacare.  In reality it has not. It is not more affordable now and has actually forced some doctors to go to a cash only system since Medicare has cut what they get paid and forced them to see more people in less time. Can't do it.  Yeah - I have a close relative who is a doc.

Europe is very misinformed on this (some in the US too) and I believe they bought into the "politics" used for elections here, rather than the truth.  Everyone has "access".  Those with insurance pay higher premiums unknowingly to help reimburse the cost to those that don't.  Do some slip through the cracks - sure.  I am pretty sure there are issues in Europe as well and that some negatives can be found in that system too.

Overall I this our healthcare is very good.

[woodworker]

Look kids, I personally like kalevipoeg. He's a good member & I enjoy his input.

But if you-- by which I mean Woody & KK -- are getting into it, we'd like to see some pictures or vids. Just don't post 'em on UL, OK? Dirty bin would work...

In fact, maybe we could get Kiko to set you two up in Barcelona, eh?

Nobody who's ever known me in my life, even when I was quite young ever called me a kid.  Let alone someone I considered a friend. 

I once said to someone in the way of a question, a long time ago, that if your finger on your hand keeps poking you in your eye,.. What matters more to you, your finger, or your eye?  Personally, I would cut that finger off. 

Your damn right I will support Karen for not being willing to take a slap across the face from some ignorant European liberal who because he's against self protection in regards to gun control, we should surrender our right to protect ourselves as well.  At least she had the courage to see that poison laden post of his for what it truly was about, at the same time you chastises those of us who don't like eating soggy bread, just for the sake of getting along, or that still possess something of a back bone. 

And if you think that well of what his post had to say, why didn't you at least have the decency of putting a 'Like' after it, rather than to try to belittle those of us conservatives, who at least had the guts to tell this cocksucker to mind his own business, as Karen at least did, in her own sweet fashion. 

   

 

[Guest]

Quote from KarenKraft: I may disagree with the gentleman, but I will defend, to the death, his right to eat shit and die on his birthday. 

First, I am very sorry, KarenKraft, I had not noticed before that you are female and should be treated like a lady (??). I could not tell that from the numerous insults that you use in your communication - I have always thought that women do not insult so openly, they do it in a more indirect, treacherous way. At least in the diplomatic society insulting is not that typical, but maybe you have been a rebel and needed to fight hard against your parents.

I have been named liberal, an Obama fan, whatever. I don´t mind. Our backgrounds may be very different, which could of course be fruitful for exchanging opinions and experiences, could. My daily life is in a big corporation and in international trade organizations. I am used to negotiating and lobbying, not used to insulting, it just wouldn´t work.

The problem of this political discussion on the Old Dudes page is that those of you that actively participate have a very strong feeling of being right. If other opinions appear, such people should rather be shot. Some discussions remind me of the TV news that I have sometimes seen from the Egyptian Parlament, where the MPs shout, attack each other and start hitting. A real chaos.

I happily withdraw from this stage and try to see Leora.

[Ozi]

Two significant events assisted with the formation of ISIS, the first being the civil war that has been occurring in Syria since 2011, which all the so called super powers, have all but ignored. The second is the Sunni-Shia civil war in Iraq that followed the US overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

In their haste to pull out of the region, the US government ignored the military advisers’ reports that the job in fact, had not been completed. In addition, the US failed to ensure a satisfactory government was in place in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Neither did they adequately ensure that their respective military were capable of defending their countries.

In addition, the poorly planned withdrawal allowed many ISIS leaders to escape from US detention centres in Iraq, including the caliph himself, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi – who spent almost five years imprisoned at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq. There were many more who became senior ISIS leaders, even prisoners with strong evidence against them who should have been executed, were still released because of the weaknesses of the Iraqi court system and the refusal of the US to share classified information.

With the hastily constructed alliance, the US refused to admit Iran to its anti-ISIS coalition even though Iran was one of the most effective potential partners in the battle against ISIS. In addition, current US policy is governed by the desire not to alienate Turkey, despite the fact that Turkey is in negotiation with groups listed as terrorist organisations. The current US regime has been playing one group off against the other, picking and choosing who they will  support and who they will ignore, which is now coming home to bite them.

The Obama regime certainly didn’t start the current conflict, but their actions have contributed directly to a worsening situation in the region.

[woodworker]

There are some of us who know better than to bite into that poisonous apple that the liberals hold out to us.

Those conservatives who have had their eyes open and who have been aware of the harm that the liberal ideology has done to Greece, Germany, Great Britain, and to France, as well as to that of our own country now.  So in those regards, yes, we know that we are right, and don't have to go about sticking our heads into a cement mixer to finally realize just how dangerous that would be.

Yes, Karen may have been a bit more expressive shall we say, in what she had to say.  But while your own post was a bit more subtle, or devious in it's insults, it was all the same an insult to us conservatives and in what we truly believe.

We cling to the wisdom of the founding fathers of our once great country, and not to some elitist snobs who want to impose their own failed policies upon us.  It's just that simple with us.

[Foamy T. Squirrel]

Nobody who's ever known me in my life, even when I was quite young ever called me a kid.  Let alone someone I considered a friend. 

I was referring to the peanut gallery in general; not to you sir. As for the "beat-down" ceremonies, I'm enjoying every minute of it. Please refer to my rant on the previous page. Everybody knows whose side I'm on.

Just don't chase him away. Like a cat toying with a mouse, it's just too much fun watching a heated debate on CC cuz absolutely nothing else is happening of interest lately around here, except maybe some tunes at the Juke Box.