Martina and Alberto - home activities #19

[JenniferMom]

1 hour ago, Adalbert said:

By the way agree with what you have said regarding Alberto.👍

I think we should be careful to not "pile on" Alberto here.  And I am not criticizing JMAN and Adalbert or anyone else.  Indeed, I was pretty critical of Alberto myself and I still have issues with him.  But he is who he is and we all know people in our lives where we look at their "soul mate" and we scratch our heads and wonder "what does he/she see in him/her".

My only real concern about Alberto remains his lovemaking.  I do think he adores Martina a lot.  But he needs to show it when he makes love to her.  I think we have seen some improvement; however, is it because he knows Martina has a love interest outside of him?  Does he read our comments?  Who knows.

Most women love to be cuddled and nurtured after cumming.  Most women actually love to cum too.  Alberto seems to not be sensitive to this.  When you truly love someone, you want to see them orgasm.  You WANT them to be pleasured even more than cumming yourself.  It's the same concept as giving gifts ... you should enjoy giving and want to give to people who you are close with.  We all love getting gifts but we all know the pure joy when you give someone who you love a nice gift.

Even in FWB scenarios, you have an affection for the other person and want to see them orgasm.  Alberto's lovemaking sometimes falls short of even an FWB arrangement (in my opinion).  If I was Martina I would be totally happy with Alberto having his "own" hobbies, not being employed, going bankrupt, not being super fit, whatever ... all  the things JMAN listed in his rant the other day ... but if I loved him and I knew he loved me ... I would be the happiest girl on earth. 

Compare Alberto's lovemaking to Masha's beau.  He helped her cum (again!) after he orgasmed ... he cuddled ... he took his time ... he focused on HER pleasure and was rewarded for that by Masha.  Now before I get attacked by those who think Masha likes theatrics, etc.  ... I totally agree.   I am still not clear what is going on between those two ... but it could be a great FWB relationship perhaps.  When Alberto makes love, he seems like he is in a hurry and needs to get to his next appointment.

My point here is to focus on the lovemaking and sex.  Isn't that the point of RLC?  Yeah yea I know there are those (DD?) who just like seeing good friends having fun etc etc ... but at the end of the day we are not here to watch people playing Cataan or watch the cleaning lady or Boggy cleaning pools.   I think we are here to focus on the sex because we know the sex is DIFFERENT than porn ... but still not as real as what we experience in our own lives.  It's fascinating to watch.  Has anyone noticed that actually watching the actual fucking isn't that exciting as it was when you first joined?  I find myself looking for new twists and new behaviors.

Anyway I never dreamed I would defend Alberto, but here I am doing a bit of that.

 

[Nenemoh7]

5 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

I think we should be careful to not "pile on" Alberto here.  And I am not criticizing JMAN and Adalbert or anyone else.  Indeed, I was pretty critical of Alberto myself and I still have issues with him.  But he is who he is and we all know people in our lives where we look at their "soul mate" and we scratch our heads and wonder "what does he/she see in him/her".

My only real concern about Alberto remains his lovemaking.  I do think he adores Martina a lot.  But he needs to show it when he makes love to her.  I think we have seen some improvement; however, is it because he knows Martina has a love interest outside of him?  Does he read our comments?  Who knows.

Most women love to be cuddled and nurtured after cumming.  Most women actually love to cum too.  Alberto seems to not be sensitive to this.  When you truly love someone, you want to see them orgasm.  You WANT them to be pleasured even more than cumming yourself.  It's the same concept as giving gifts ... you should enjoy giving and want to give to people who you are close with.  We all love getting gifts but we all know the pure joy when you give someone who you love a nice gift.

Even in FWB scenarios, you have an affection for the other person and want to see them orgasm.  Alberto's lovemaking sometimes falls short of even an FWB arrangement (in my opinion).  If I was Martina I would be totally happy with Alberto having his "own" hobbies, not being employed, going bankrupt, not being super fit, whatever ... all  the things JMAN listed in his rant the other day ... but if I loved him and I knew he loved me ... I would be the happiest girl on earth. 

Compare Alberto's lovemaking to Masha's beau.  He helped her cum (again!) after he orgasmed ... he cuddled ... he took his time ... he focused on HER pleasure and was rewarded for that by Masha.  Now before I get attacked by those who think Masha likes theatrics, etc.  ... I totally agree.   I am still not clear what is going on between those two ... but it could be a great FWB relationship perhaps.  When Alberto makes love, he seems like he is in a hurry and needs to get to his next appointment.

My point here is to focus on the lovemaking and sex.  Isn't that the point of RLC?  Yeah yea I know there are those (DD?) who just like seeing good friends having fun etc etc ... but at the end of the day we are not here to watch people playing Cataan or watch the cleaning lady or Boggy cleaning pools.   I think we are here to focus on the sex because we know the sex is DIFFERENT than porn ... but still not as real as what we experience in our own lives.  It's fascinating to watch.  Has anyone noticed that actually watching the actual fucking isn't that exciting as it was when you first joined?  I find myself looking for new twists and new behaviors.

Anyway I never dreamed I would defend Alberto, but here I am doing a bit of that.

 

ppl should let them live their life and just watch

[JenniferMom]

3 minutes ago, Nenemoh7 said:

ppl should let them live their life and just watch

Yes.  I think for those who watch a lot of TV through their lives, we are conditioned for happy endings.  Very few movies, TV shows, etc. end in tragedy.  And the ones that do often are based on real events (e.g. the Chernobyl miniseries).   When a movie ends badly, the audience is often pissed off and call the movie "a bad movie".  So I think many of us (me included) want to see a happy ending between Alberto and Martina.  That's what we expect because everything we watch on the screen ends up being a happy ending.  But that is not real life.

[Nenemoh7]

1 minute ago, JenniferMom said:

Yes.  I think for those who watch a lot of TV through their lives, we are conditioned for happy endings.  Very few movies, TV shows, etc. end in tragedy.  And the ones that do often are based on real events (e.g. the Chernobyl miniseries).   When a movie ends badly, the audience is often pissed off and call the movie "a bad movie".  So I think many of us (me included) want to see a happy ending between Alberto and Martina.  That's what we expect because everything we watch on the screen ends up being a happy ending.  But that is not real life.

omg i couldnt watch chernobyl and watch how russian can hide the truth and let ppl die knowing they r going to die

[Kenpaul]

8 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

I think we should be careful to not "pile on" Alberto here.  And I am not criticizing JMAN and Adalbert or anyone else.  Indeed, I was pretty critical of Alberto myself and I still have issues with him.  But he is who he is and we all know people in our lives where we look at their "soul mate" and we scratch our heads and wonder "what does he/she see in him/her".

My only real concern about Alberto remains his lovemaking.  I do think he adores Martina a lot.  But he needs to show it when he makes love to her.  I think we have seen some improvement; however, is it because he knows Martina has a love interest outside of him?  Does he read our comments?  Who knows.

Most women love to be cuddled and nurtured after cumming.  Most women actually love to cum too.  Alberto seems to not be sensitive to this.  When you truly love someone, you want to see them orgasm.  You WANT them to be pleasured even more than cumming yourself.  It's the same concept as giving gifts ... you should enjoy giving and want to give to people who you are close with.  We all love getting gifts but we all know the pure joy when you give someone who you love a nice gift.

Even in FWB scenarios, you have an affection for the other person and want to see them orgasm.  Alberto's lovemaking sometimes falls short of even an FWB arrangement (in my opinion).  If I was Martina I would be totally happy with Alberto having his "own" hobbies, not being employed, going bankrupt, not being super fit, whatever ... all  the things JMAN listed in his rant the other day ... but if I loved him and I knew he loved me ... I would be the happiest girl on earth. 

Compare Alberto's lovemaking to Masha's beau.  He helped her cum (again!) after he orgasmed ... he cuddled ... he took his time ... he focused on HER pleasure and was rewarded for that by Masha.  Now before I get attacked by those who think Masha likes theatrics, etc.  ... I totally agree.   I am still not clear what is going on between those two ... but it could be a great FWB relationship perhaps.  When Alberto makes love, he seems like he is in a hurry and needs to get to his next appointment.

My point here is to focus on the lovemaking and sex.  Isn't that the point of RLC?  Yeah yea I know there are those (DD?) who just like seeing good friends having fun etc etc ... but at the end of the day we are not here to watch people playing Cataan or watch the cleaning lady or Boggy cleaning pools.   I think we are here to focus on the sex because we know the sex is DIFFERENT than porn ... but still not as real as what we experience in our own lives.  It's fascinating to watch.  Has anyone noticed that actually watching the actual fucking isn't that exciting as it was when you first joined?  I find myself looking for new twists and new behaviors.

Anyway I never dreamed I would defend Alberto, but here I am doing a bit of that.

 

I agree with you, that when he gets done, he is looking to do what's next on his schedule, and not tending to Martina. They've been together 9/10  years and this isn't new to her. I know it's been reported, that she's talk to him about this. Will it make a difference? Time will tell.

Good in-depth analysis!

[Adalbert]

24 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

Yes.  I think for those who watch a lot of TV through their lives, we are conditioned for happy endings.  Very few movies, TV shows, etc. end in tragedy.  And the ones that do often are based on real events (e.g. the Chernobyl miniseries).   When a movie ends badly, the audience is often pissed off and call the movie "a bad movie".  So I think many of us (me included) want to see a happy ending between Alberto and Martina.  That's what we expect because everything we watch on the screen ends up being a happy ending.  But that is not real life.

Your posts are always very inspiring, like them. For sure real life is only in very vew cases a happy ending. Real life always has ups and downs. What matters is the average. If this is ok for the partners. is it running. Also agree that most of the RLC want to see sex. But as you said after a few times it gets boring too. I still love it when Martinia dances and sings half-naked in the kitchen or living room. That's erotic and not porn, and it makes all the difference.

[JenniferMom]

35 minutes ago, Adalbert said:

Your posts are always very inspiring, like them. For sure real life is only in very vew cases a happy ending. Real life always has ups and downs. What matters is the average. If this is ok for the partners. is it running. Also agree that most of the RLC want to see sex. But as you said after a few times it gets boring too. I still love it when Martinia dances and sings half-naked in the kitchen or living room. That's erotic and not porn, and it makes all the difference.

Thank you 'Bert.    I agree too that things like Martina in a shower are fun to watch and very real.  Who knows for sure, but I'm guessing she would sing/dance in the shower even if there were no cams.  She does seem to be a person who is full of joy quite often which is one reason we like her.

I don't have the data at hand but I think the divorce rate is approaching 50% if not more ... either US or globally or both.  Lots of relationships fail.  Most people go through several failed relationships before they find "the right one".  So really, we all should be conditioned to see several of these relationships fail.  We should expect it honestly.  It's sad but that is real life.

LOL we've seen Gina and Bruno come close, how many times now?

[mark t]

14 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

Thank you 'Bert.    I agree too that things like Martina in a shower are fun to watch and very real.  Who knows for sure, but I'm guessing she would sing/dance in the shower even if there were no cams.  She does seem to be a person who is full of joy quite often which is one reason we like her.

I don't have the data at hand but I think the divorce rate is approaching 50% if not more ... either US or globally or both.  Lots of relationships fail.  Most people go through several failed relationships before they find "the right one".  So really, we all should be conditioned to see several of these relationships fail.  We should expect it honestly.  It's sad but that is real life.

LOL we've seen Gina and Bruno come close, how many times now?

Interesting fact you present that some of these couples (even friendships) are a window to the normal life  of relationship success , fails and trials and tribulations of getting to one of those places... yes 50% of marriages end in divorce but trust me the other 50% are in varying degrees of challenge  and  struggles ...  (kids, economies and lethargy ) it takes great maturity and understanding of Life and Love to succeed ...   so be impressed that these couples are doing well and likely need little of our advice and opinions how to be successful....

but as usual with such advice it is more about the people issues and beliefs who are giving such opinions ... so when I read the copious pages of people so 'invested' in this couple alone,  I see you (everyone ) and what your needs are ...to bad I don't care about fictional people living in this forum or it would be a good way to get to know who and what you are like 

other than the unique type of couple who would come to a kink driven site like RLC  to collect a paycheck and very likely get a kink out of being an exhibitionist.... their stats for separation and divorce/relationship failure would be out of the norm i'm guessing because of this co-dependence (economy and kink) . also other than the few long termers we see on RLC  (impressive really) most others are too  transient to know what they are like after RLC

[catalonia]

I am reading some criticism of Alberto and I ask myself a question, if Marina stayed at home, washing dishes, cooking, cleaning, walking the dogs and Alberto went out, went to parties with his friends, had relationships outside the couple with other women , or men, what would we say about him?

[Adalbert]

17 minutes ago, catalonia said:

I am reading some criticism of Alberto and I ask myself a question, if Marina stayed at home, washing dishes, cooking, cleaning, walking the dogs and Alberto went out, went to parties with his friends, had relationships outside the couple with other women , or men, what would we say about him?

It doesn't really matter what we say because it isn't. We also would not be happy about that...

Does anybody know what she is drinking ? Looks not like beer I think it my be Cydre..

[JenniferMom]

31 minutes ago, catalonia said:

I am reading some criticism of Alberto and I ask myself a question, if Marina stayed at home, washing dishes, cooking, cleaning, walking the dogs and Alberto went out, went to parties with his friends, had relationships outside the couple with other women , or men, what would we say about him?

I think you are making my point Cat.  Of course we would not be happy if Alberto behaved as you described above.  I think we have been too critical of Alberto and that includes me.

My only desire at this point is that if Alberto truly loves Martina ... then he needs to show it when he makes love to her.  Lovers know when their partners are "going through the motions" vs when the connection is "there".    A whole genre of comedy is built around women faking orgasms to make their man feel masculine.  We have to distinguish between "real" vs "fake" as in the fake lesbian shows.  I think what we see with Martina and Alberto is very real (as real as can be on cam).  I think Alberto is taking Martina for granted and that you can never do to your partner.  Some might say Martina is taking advantage of Alberto and that is not totally wrong either.  Bottom line we see a "real" relationship with its ups and downs ... which is infinitely more interesting than say Leora and Malia.   And again, for those that say "established relationships the lovemaking is often like we see" ... ok I can agree to that ... there will always be the "quickie fuck" etc.  But once in awhile we should see truly passionate lovemaking like we see with Martina/Nelly and other couples.

[catalonia]

2 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

Creo que estás expresando mi punto, Cat. Por supuesto, no estaríamos contentos si Alberto se comportara como usted describió anteriormente. Creo que hemos sido demasiado críticos con Alberto y eso me incluye a mí.

Mi único deseo en este punto es que si Alberto realmente ama a Martina ... entonces necesita demostrarlo cuando le hace el amor. Los amantes saben cuando sus parejas están "haciendo los movimientos" frente a cuando la conexión está "ahí". Todo un género de comedia se basa en mujeres que fingen orgasmos para hacer que su hombre se sienta masculino. Tenemos que distinguir entre lo "real" y lo "falso" como en los programas de lesbianas falsas. Creo que lo que vemos con Martina y Alberto es muy real (tan real como puede ser en la cámara). Creo que Alberto está dando por sentada a Martina y eso nunca le podrás hacer a tu pareja. Algunos dirán que Martina se está aprovechando de Alberto y eso tampoco está del todo mal. En pocas palabras, vemos una relación "real" con sus altibajos ... que es infinitamente más interesante que decir Leora y Malia.

Of course I agree that it cannot be compared, what about Leora and her friend is for abductees.