john p Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Not like the racist muppet above me says , Vulnerable families bear the brunt of Norway's crackdown on asylum seekers After fleeing Afghanistan, the Hashemi family thought they had found a safe haven in Norway – until the centre-right government deported them. In autumn last year, life was finally improving for Nadereh Hashemi. After spending all her adult years on the run from her family in Afghanistan – she lived in Iran for 10 years before making an arduous escape to Europe – Nadereh and her husband, Ahmad, finally found something resembling a stable life in Europe. At a centre for asylum seekers in Norway, outside the village of Røn, she and Ahmad were poor, but they had security, food and housing. Their two oldest children, Meisam and Mohammad, went to school, and their youngest, Zahra, spoke Norwegian almost like a native. Nadereh was receiving medication for depression. After four years and two months in Norway, the family was just four months short of qualifying for a residence permit on humanitarian grounds under the rules for asylum seekers. But on 7 November, Norway’s immigration appeals board (UNE) rejected their request for asylum. At 5am the next morning, a dozen police officers banged on the family’s door at Lundeskogen asylum centre. As they were escorted to a car that would take them to a holding facility at Oslo airport, four-year-old Zahra shouted: “I am not Afghan, I am Norwegian.” The next evening, the family was on a plane to Kabul. “It was a very dark day,” said Ahmad. “A very bad day.” Under a policy introduced by the centre-right coalition government that came to power in late 2013, Norway now deport families with children. Last year, according to Norwegian police, the country forcibly deported 649 children, 84 of them to Afghanistan. The deportations have met staunch resistance from civil society advocates, who accuse the government of violating international rights conventions. Recently, the Afghan government also put its foot down. Advertisement On 10 February, Afghan authorities at Kabul airport refused entry to a woman who had been deported from Norway with two children, citing the woman’s poor health and the absence of a male family member. The woman’s husband had escaped before Norwegian police could deport him. It was not the first time the Afghan government had balked at the harsher Norwegian policies. In November, the Afghan foreign ministry sent a letter to the Norwegian embassy in Kabul, threatening to refuse to accept returning families if deportation rates did not drop. “The problem arises when so many are deported against their will, particularly when so many of them are women and children,” Ghulam Murtaza Rasooli, legal director at the Afghan ministry of refugees and repatriation, told the Norwegian daily Bergens Tidende in January. The letter was sent six days before the Hashemi family was deported. However, the deportations have continued. Jøran Kallmyr, of the anti-immigration Progress party and state secretary for the Norwegian justice minister, said: “It is not very unusual for countries who receive deported people to complain.” The Guardian has followed the Hashemi family for two months, as they attempt to settle into their new life in Afghanistan, a country none of the children had seen before setting foot there in November. On their arrival, the government offered the family a temporary place at a guesthouse for returnees. Residents there warned Ahmad that returning families face danger as they are often rumoured to have made a lot of money abroad. “I was afraid that my children would be kidnapped,” Ahmad said. Instead, the family, who are Hazaras, settled in Kabul’s predominantly Shia neighbourhood of Chendawol, where an imam let them stay in a small room at the back of a mosque. In late January, they moved a block away, to a smaller room. It had mouldy walls and a gas burner was the sole source of heat for the night, when temperatures in the winter drop well below zero. This is hell. This is not a country. People die here every day. I don't want my father, mother, brother or sister to die Meisam Hashemi, 11 While Ahmad searches for work in the day, Nadereh and the children spend their time in the room, afraid to venture outside. “This is hell. This is not a country. People die here every day,” said Meisam, 11. “I don’t want to see my father or mother die, or lose my brother or sister.” In a corner of the room, a small backpack belonging to six-year-old Mohammad is packed and ready to be taken back to school. Between blankets on the floor, Zahra, aged four, fiddles with a teddy bearing a Turkish Airlines logo. When talking to each other, the children speak in Norwegian. The parents have not yet had the heart to tell Mohammad and Zahra that they have left Norway for good. “We tell them that the plane is broken and just needs to be fixed,” said Nadereh. “They tell other children they meet in the mosque that they are going to take them to Norway, to show them their room.” Since arriving in Kabul, Mohammad has suffered from ear pains, and a stomach ache that makes it difficult for him to keep food down. His siblings regularly cough and seem lethargic. In Afghanistan, medication is notoriously unreliable, and a financial burden. Advertisement According to Norway’s justice ministry, the Oslo government gives $10-20,000 (£6,455-12,910) to families who return to Afghanistan voluntarily, but only about $500 a person when they are returned by force. With both parents currently unable to provide for the children, that money is only enough to eke out a basic life. Ahmad occasionally finds work as a daily labourer on construction sites, for which he gets paid 350 afghani (£4). The monthly rent on their room is 2,000 afghani. Richard Danziger, the chief of mission for the International Organisation for Migration (IOM) in Kabul, says that while any country has the right to deport or reject asylum seekers, deporting families to Afghanistan requires “very careful consideration” at present: “Economic and educational opportunities are limited and decent housing is scarce. Equally, the security situation has seen some deterioration over the last few weeks and we are in the middle of a harsh winter.” Kallmyr, however, said that if Norway were to give asylum to families because they were poor and not in need of political protection, “there would be millions of potential asylum seekers that we would then be obligated to give asylum”. He added that a life in Kabul was better for children than being confined to an asylum centre in Norway. “We have a lot of children living in asylum centres, and that’s not a very good condition for children to live in,” he said. The Hashemi family did claim asylum on protection grounds. But the persecution they claim to face is personal, not political. It was not possible to verify their claims, but what the couple told the Guardian is consistent with documents from Norwegian asylum authorities. Norway Afghan family deportation Zahra and Meisam had never been to Afghanistan before the family was deported last year. Photograph: Andrew Quilty/Oculi The heart of Nadereh and Ahmad’s story is, apparently, a tale of forbidden love. They grew up in Wardak, a conflict-ridden province west of Kabul. Nadereh came from a violent home with a father who, when she was nine, promised her to an older cousin. But before they could marry, Nadereh, at the age of 17, ran off to Iran with her neighbour, Ahmad. Nadereh’s father was an elder in their village, and her daughter’s escape was seen as a great shame for the family. Her brothers vowed to track down Ahmad and kill him. Eight years after Nadereh and Ahmad had settled in Tehran, people in the community one day warned them that a couple of men had been asking about them. “I don’t know how they found us,” said Nadereh, who was then pregnant with Zahra. They fled to Norway, where they applied for asylum in September 2010, four months before Zahra was born. In Norway, the stricter immigration policies have triggered a major political dispute, mostly about refugee children with long-term ties to Norway. In 2014, 79 children who had lived in the country for four years or more were deported. The majority were sent to Afghanistan and Nigeria, the governments of which recently agreed to open up for returning refugees. Advertisement According to Norwegian law, the welfare of the child, including his or her connection to Norway, has to be a central factor in determining asylum cases. But Ketil Krohn Venås, a lawyer who represented the Hashemi family, said that in several cases, including that of Nadereh and Ahmad, the children’s wellbeing has been outweighed by attempts to regulate migration. Deportations surged dramatically from September to November, possibly in an attempt to reach the government’s stated goal of returning 7,100 rejected asylum seekers in 2014. According to Norwegian police, a total of 7,259 people were deported in 2014, including 438 to Afghanistan. The government’s goal for 2015 is to forcibly return 7,800 people. Kallmyr said the increase was merely making up for the neglect of previous governments. “We can’t have a system where children are used by their parents to get permission to stay in Norway,” he said. This week, Venås will bring Nadereh and her family’s case to court in Oslo, asking for their asylum claim to be reconsidered. He will claim that the Norwegian government has violated the UN convention on the rights of the child and the European convention on human rights. “The children are Norwegian, they can’t live like this,” Venås said.http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/feb/26/norway-crackdown-asylum-seekers-afganistan-immigration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozi Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Not like the racist muppet above me says , Vulnerable families bear the brunt of Norway's crackdown on asylum seekers After fleeing Afghanistan, the Hashemi family thought they had found a safe haven in Norway – until the centre-right government deported them. In autumn last year, life was finally improving for Nadereh Hashemi. After spending all her adult years on the run from her family in Afghanistan – she lived in Iran for 10 years before making an arduous escape to Europe – Nadereh and her husband, Ahmad, finally found something resembling a stable life in Europe. At a centre for asylum seekers in Norway, outside the village of Røn, she and Ahmad were poor, but they had security, food and housing. Their two oldest children, Meisam and Mohammad, went to school, and their youngest, Zahra, spoke Norwegian almost like a native. Nadereh was receiving medication for depression. After four years and two months in Norway, the family was just four months short of qualifying for a residence permit on humanitarian grounds under the rules for asylum seekers. But on 7 November, Norway’s immigration appeals board (UNE) rejected their request for asylum. At 5am the next morning, a dozen police officers banged on the family’s door at Lundeskogen asylum centre. As they were escorted to a car that would take them to a holding facility at Oslo airport, four-year-old Zahra shouted: “I am not Afghan, I am Norwegian.” The next evening, the family was on a plane to Kabul. “It was a very dark day,” said Ahmad. “A very bad day.” Under a policy introduced by the centre-right coalition government that came to power in late 2013, Norway now deport families with children. Last year, according to Norwegian police, the country forcibly deported 649 children, 84 of them to Afghanistan. The deportations have met staunch resistance from civil society advocates, who accuse the government of violating international rights conventions. Recently, the Afghan government also put its foot down. Advertisement On 10 February, Afghan authorities at Kabul airport refused entry to a woman who had been deported from Norway with two children, citing the woman’s poor health and the absence of a male family member. The woman’s husband had escaped before Norwegian police could deport him. It was not the first time the Afghan government had balked at the harsher Norwegian policies. In November, the Afghan foreign ministry sent a letter to the Norwegian embassy in Kabul, threatening to refuse to accept returning families if deportation rates did not drop. “The problem arises when so many are deported against their will, particularly when so many of them are women and children,” Ghulam Murtaza Rasooli, legal director at the Afghan ministry of refugees and repatriation, told the Norwegian daily Bergens Tidende in January. The letter was sent six days before the Hashemi family was deported. However, the deportations have continued. Jøran Kallmyr, of the anti-immigration Progress party and state secretary for the Norwegian justice minister, said: “It is not very unusual for countries who receive deported people to complain.” The Guardian has followed the Hashemi family for two months, as they attempt to settle into their new life in Afghanistan, a country none of the children had seen before setting foot there in November. On their arrival, the government offered the family a temporary place at a guesthouse for returnees. Residents there warned Ahmad that returning families face danger as they are often rumoured to have made a lot of money abroad. “I was afraid that my children would be kidnapped,” Ahmad said. Instead, the family, who are Hazaras, settled in Kabul’s predominantly Shia neighbourhood of Chendawol, where an imam let them stay in a small room at the back of a mosque. In late January, they moved a block away, to a smaller room. It had mouldy walls and a gas burner was the sole source of heat for the night, when temperatures in the winter drop well below zero. This is hell. This is not a country. People die here every day. I don't want my father, mother, brother or sister to die Meisam Hashemi, 11 While Ahmad searches for work in the day, Nadereh and the children spend their time in the room, afraid to venture outside. “This is hell. This is not a country. People die here every day,” said Meisam, 11. “I don’t want to see my father or mother die, or lose my brother or sister.” In a corner of the room, a small backpack belonging to six-year-old Mohammad is packed and ready to be taken back to school. Between blankets on the floor, Zahra, aged four, fiddles with a teddy bearing a Turkish Airlines logo. When talking to each other, the children speak in Norwegian. The parents have not yet had the heart to tell Mohammad and Zahra that they have left Norway for good. “We tell them that the plane is broken and just needs to be fixed,” said Nadereh. “They tell other children they meet in the mosque that they are going to take them to Norway, to show them their room.” Since arriving in Kabul, Mohammad has suffered from ear pains, and a stomach ache that makes it difficult for him to keep food down. His siblings regularly cough and seem lethargic. In Afghanistan, medication is notoriously unreliable, and a financial burden. Advertisement According to Norway’s justice ministry, the Oslo government gives $10-20,000 (£6,455-12,910) to families who return to Afghanistan voluntarily, but only about $500 a person when they are returned by force. With both parents currently unable to provide for the children, that money is only enough to eke out a basic life. Ahmad occasionally finds work as a daily labourer on construction sites, for which he gets paid 350 afghani (£4). The monthly rent on their room is 2,000 afghani. Richard Danziger, the chief of mission for the International Organisation for Migration (IOM) in Kabul, says that while any country has the right to deport or reject asylum seekers, deporting families to Afghanistan requires “very careful consideration” at present: “Economic and educational opportunities are limited and decent housing is scarce. Equally, the security situation has seen some deterioration over the last few weeks and we are in the middle of a harsh winter.” Kallmyr, however, said that if Norway were to give asylum to families because they were poor and not in need of political protection, “there would be millions of potential asylum seekers that we would then be obligated to give asylum”. He added that a life in Kabul was better for children than being confined to an asylum centre in Norway. “We have a lot of children living in asylum centres, and that’s not a very good condition for children to live in,” he said. The Hashemi family did claim asylum on protection grounds. But the persecution they claim to face is personal, not political. It was not possible to verify their claims, but what the couple told the Guardian is consistent with documents from Norwegian asylum authorities. Norway Afghan family deportation Zahra and Meisam had never been to Afghanistan before the family was deported last year. Photograph: Andrew Quilty/Oculi The heart of Nadereh and Ahmad’s story is, apparently, a tale of forbidden love. They grew up in Wardak, a conflict-ridden province west of Kabul. Nadereh came from a violent home with a father who, when she was nine, promised her to an older cousin. But before they could marry, Nadereh, at the age of 17, ran off to Iran with her neighbour, Ahmad. Nadereh’s father was an elder in their village, and her daughter’s escape was seen as a great shame for the family. Her brothers vowed to track down Ahmad and kill him. Eight years after Nadereh and Ahmad had settled in Tehran, people in the community one day warned them that a couple of men had been asking about them. “I don’t know how they found us,” said Nadereh, who was then pregnant with Zahra. They fled to Norway, where they applied for asylum in September 2010, four months before Zahra was born. In Norway, the stricter immigration policies have triggered a major political dispute, mostly about refugee children with long-term ties to Norway. In 2014, 79 children who had lived in the country for four years or more were deported. The majority were sent to Afghanistan and Nigeria, the governments of which recently agreed to open up for returning refugees. Advertisement According to Norwegian law, the welfare of the child, including his or her connection to Norway, has to be a central factor in determining asylum cases. But Ketil Krohn Venås, a lawyer who represented the Hashemi family, said that in several cases, including that of Nadereh and Ahmad, the children’s wellbeing has been outweighed by attempts to regulate migration. Deportations surged dramatically from September to November, possibly in an attempt to reach the government’s stated goal of returning 7,100 rejected asylum seekers in 2014. According to Norwegian police, a total of 7,259 people were deported in 2014, including 438 to Afghanistan. The government’s goal for 2015 is to forcibly return 7,800 people. Kallmyr said the increase was merely making up for the neglect of previous governments. “We can’t have a system where children are used by their parents to get permission to stay in Norway,” he said. This week, Venås will bring Nadereh and her family’s case to court in Oslo, asking for their asylum claim to be reconsidered. He will claim that the Norwegian government has violated the UN convention on the rights of the child and the European convention on human rights. “The children are Norwegian, they can’t live like this,” Venås said.http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/feb/26/norway-crackdown-asylum-seekers-afganistan-immigration Awesome. Maybe the Norwegian government can run a master class for other governments. Have a look at the stats in Norway, since deporting muslims that are criminals or members of terrorist groups, serious crime has dropped by 31% in just two years. Not government figures police figures. And yes, they don't play games, they don't just deport the individual, they deport the whole family. Get rid of the criminals and the terrorists and keep the moderates that want to assimilate, if there is such a thing. I'm moving to Norway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG 150 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I would too, only do it through the right channels, not walk in claiming to need asylum. But alas, temps don't get too much above 0C most of the year. I think I'll stay here where it stays mostly in the 30's C all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Woodworker, some pages ago you convinced us that your opinions are the correct ones and everybody against them is a liberal, which seems to be a swear word for you. You avoided (was that hard?) saying "shoot all liberals" though, of which I am grateful to you. You did not answer two of my questions: - from where do you get your brainwash material: what are the newspapers and TV channels you follow? - which European countries have you visited and when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Woodworker, some pages ago you convinced us that your opinions are the correct ones and everybody against them is a liberal, which seems to be a swear word for you. You avoided (was that hard?) saying "shoot all liberals" though, of which I am grateful to you. You did not answer two of my questions: - from where do you get your brainwash material: what are the newspapers and TV channels you follow? - which European countries have you visited and when? One American News, Fox news, the Wall street Journal. Now what brainwashed liberal tripe do you watch or read? Not that I really care. I'll go that far with you, and as to which countries I have visited, that is none of your fucking business. When was the last time you liberals over there have been here to America? And to which states exactly have you visited? See how annoying that can be. Like the grand inquisition. So back off with that sort of nonsense with me. And I get the impression that you are now working on behalf of Maturin. Either way, I don't need to have justify or prove myself to anyone here, including yourself. We can try to remain civil to one another if you wish, as I don't hold the same level of contempt towards you as I do towards him. But keep this in mind, whenever I post something here, it is not directed towards you or any others outside of those that I consider to be friends of mine. So just either ignore them, as Maturin pretends to do, or you can just run around behind my back and try to have me banned as again he has attempted to do. But don't try to bait me with your silly gotcha questions, because as I've said before, I don't need to prove myself to you or anyone else here just because they don't like what I say, or can't face reality. I can't imagine a so-called grown man running to mommy and trying to have someone banned, just because that persons views upset him so much. Wow, what a lack of character, or manliness on that persons part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Maturin, I don't give a damn what you may think or what you may believe. I thought you said that you just ignore my post,.. if only just that once you could have spoken the truth. I don't post here to try to win a coward and a hypocrite like you over. That much you can take seriously. I noticed you are attacking Karen once again, even though she's not around to defend herself against your wild accusations. Tell me hypocrite, what proof do you have that she was not a real woman as some of us here do know her to be? Where's your "facts" as you like to speak of when it suits you, to back up your vicious attacks upon her in this way? I do have some respect for Timewarp, and some as well for Kalevipoeg. But none whatsoever for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I don't need your help. And just who the fuck are you, that I should care what you think or believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Your not very original are you. But yes, that suits me fine. As your not the person, or persons to whom I care to post to, or to engage in any worthwhile conversations with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG 150 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 GOOD. Then let's lock this thread up. It's really getting old now. None of you are going to ever agree unless you agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy T. Squirrel Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 Flaming is no longer tolerated in Old Dudes. Maturin's bitching was irrelevant to Current Events in the News. His most vociferous posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww_watcher Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I'm changing the subject a bit. Although I think that everyone should be free to practice whatever religion they want, that religion must adhere to the law of the land. Kennedy was the first Catholic president but the tenets of Catholosism still fit within the morals of our country so the question of religion has not become important until now. Could a Muslim president separate his faith from his job? An important question. Present POTUS accepted, I don't believe so. The Muslim faith IS their government. Our society and our form of government is an athema to the basic tenets of their faith. The barbarism shown by the insane portion of Islam and the troubles that are arising because the silent majority of Islam will not speak out against their barbarism, would be the ruination of our country no matter how honorable (or dishonorable as shown by the present POTUS) the prospective Muslim president. Article VI of the US Constitution was to assure we didn't judge fitness to govern by the religious viewpoints held by the candidates, and to assure separation of religion and government. Although Muslims weren't specically mentioned, or prohibited, they were not in our minds when the article was voted in. Had our lawmakers remembered the war with the Barbary coast of Africa they might have made some provision for Islamic candidates. If CAIR wants this to be fair they first need to address the problems we are having with the middle east and not try and make us blind to it. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/muslim-group-cair-slams-ben-carson-unfit-lead/story?id=33920801 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linked Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The problem with muzzies is that they must always put their religion first. If they do not, then they are disavowing allah and muhammed, which in turn means they get beheaded according to the koran. If they show any compassion to those that do not follow their false religion they are befriending their enemies, which in turn means they get beheaded or stoned according to the koran. They cannot separate what they need to do from their religion because that means they won't get their 72 children that muhammed promised them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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