Maturin Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 900 million??? A billion AUSD for 12,000 refugees? Haha, your government is fucking you right over and you are blaming it on the refugees??!!! Jesus Christ, that made me laugh! Follow the money mate, let me guess, there's a shit load of private contracting companies running the various support services for those 12,000 refugees right? I imagine if you did a modicum of research you'd probably find connections between the board members and shareholders of those firms and your politicians. Meanwhile, you government tells you that because they have found this new method of draining your tax money from the nation when it should go on the services you mentioned with fucking plenty of it left over for 12,000 people, yet sending it straight into the pockets of their mates, you get angry as fuck at the scapegoat that they have made you believe is the actual problem. That was the funniest thing I've read on here. Funny if it weren't so fucking sad to see the level of control they have over people who should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 His country, much like mine is being run by liberals. What else would you expect? You know there are some liberals here that I think well of. People such as Tx-Feller, and Timewarp, and certain others as well. And I am not just saying that to placate them, as anyone who has ever really known me knows that I don't lack the guts to say what I truly believe, if I am pushed to it. I have found those decent minded people to be both thoughtful, and intelligent, and the kind of people that one could remain friends with, so long as in political discussion there is an air of wit, or friendly disagreement involved, knowing all the while, that they will never change my opinion about certain things, and I will never change theirs. But there are some that remind me too much of those 'Occupy Wall Street' scum. People who were largely born into middle class families, but because they don't want to grow-up, or roll up their sleeves and try to make their own lives more productive or better they instead just rally around some ridiculous protest or another in their absurd hopes of having their little antics be seen on TV. I have no respect for them at all, and was hoping that eventually they would occupy a land fill somewhere. The amount of trash, human feces, hypodermic needles, along with the rapes and murders that took place during that event, was astounding for these so called Nature lovers and green Earth cocksuckers. Classless to the bone as they would shit on patrol cars, and destroyed some small shops and businesses there while having their little fun camping out in the park. Those types I could never find peace with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 As has been mentioned, there is very little to choose between the political ideologies prevalent in western politics over the past 30 years. One man's liberal is another man's conservative is another man's Blairite is another man's republican. The slight difference between them is the levels they will go to to asset strip the in-common wealth of their nations in order to keep their financiers, moneymen and corporations happy. That the Australian government is taking their people for a ride and successfully laying the blame on the least powerful people in the nation is a story that's been played out many times in our countries. "so long as in political discussion there is an air of wit, or friendly disagreement involved", yeah right. "Wall street scum," "absurd hopes," "no respect," "occupy a landfill," "green earth cocksuckers." Maybe I missed your reply but what is it that you specifically don't like about Bernie Sanders' specific policies again Woodworker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 For years I have enjoyed a friend by the name of Ben, who was not just my friend, but a friend to my family, and he is a liberal. But he is a good guy in every other way, and I have always liked him and his own family. Here's to ya Ben. Just don't run for office. :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 As has been mentioned, there is very little to choose between the political ideologies prevalent in western politics over the past 30 years. One man's liberal is another man's conservative is another man's Blairite is another man's republican. The slight difference between them is the levels they will go to to asset strip the in-common wealth of their nations in order to keep their financiers, moneymen and corporations happy. That the Australian government is taking their people for a ride and successfully laying the blame on the least powerful people in the nation is a story that's been played out many times in our countries. "so long as in political discussion there is an air of wit, or friendly disagreement involved", yeah right. "Wall street scum," "absurd hopes," "no respect," "occupy a landfill," "green earth cocksuckers." Maybe I missed your reply but what is it that you specifically don't like about Bernie Sanders' specific policies again Woodworker? You have to be a complete idiot to even ask that question! Bernie Sanders is about as Un-American, and un-constitutional as anyone can be. And if you think that the socialist party is only interested in taking away from huge corporations, your nuts! All of which is a foolish thing to do anyway, if you want to keep these industries here in this country and provide for some jobs. And even though I myself am not a rich person, I am strongly opposed to taking away from them as well. Not all rich people are evil. And whether they are just well off or flat out rich, they have worked hard to make that good fortune happen for themselves. And unlike some, I do not walk around with jade eyes, I do not turn green with jealousy and envy. I don't hate a person just because they are rich! It depends instead on the nature of their character when it comes to me. And aside from all that,.. Bernie Sanders is a bumbling fool! Which seems to be obvious to all but a small section of the populace here. Do you think that I would want a person who is so stupid that he actually believes that 'Climate Change' is what has brought about Isis and terrorism, actually running this country? Incidentally, It use to be called 'Global Warming' until recent satellite pictures have shown that the polar ice caps have actually been growing. So now the deceivers have changed the mantra to 'Climate Change'. And about all of those rather apt adjectives,.. Occupy Scum, green Earth cocksuckers, ect. They get what they have properly earned from me. My contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewarp Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Given the current headlines, I have to ask Does this: " People who were largely born into middle class families, but because they don't want to grow-up, or roll up their sleeves and try to make their own lives more productive or better they instead just rally around some ridiculous protest or another in their absurd hopes of having their little antics be seen on TV." Apply to the people who have taken over the building in Oregon and say they will stay for years if necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'll be honest, I haven't even heard about that. I know it must seem strange, but I haven't watched much news, or TV at all over the past several days. So if it's not too difficult, please tell me what it is about, and I will let you know my answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewarp Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'll be honest, I haven't even heard about that. I know it must seem strange, but I haven't watched much news, or TV at all over the past several days. So if it's not too difficult, please tell me what it is about, and I will let you know my answer to that. http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-protest/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Thanks for the link. And I suppose this is going to be one of those times where we both disagree, but to me there is a big difference in the first hand grievances of these ranchers and those of the 'Occupy crowd'. There are several videos of the Occupy Wall Street protesters that when a news reporter asked them just what are you here for, they couldn't even answer that question. Look, I'm not trying to be false in my response to this. But they, as far as protesters go are genuinely concerned people that have felt that the government is now encroaching upon their lands. But whether you feel one way or another about this event, they are still relatively civil within their outrage. No peoples small business's were destroyed. No rapes or murders, and no shitting on top of patrol cars. These people would much rather be at their normal jobs of running their ranches than to have to be there fighting to maintain what they feel is their right under what the constitution has granted them. It is something that is touching them directly, so I do see a differences between them and the others, for the reasons that I have stated above. Actually, for peace sake, I was hoping that I could say that it did constitute this same level of contempt that I felt towards those others, but in my opinion it doesn't. They just haven't behaved as abhorrently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewarp Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Thanks for the link. And I suppose this is going to be one of those times where we both disagree, but to me there is a big difference in the first hand grievances of these ranchers and those of the 'Occupy crowd'. There are several videos of the Occupy Wall Street protesters that when a news reporter asked them just what are you here for, they couldn't even answer that question. Look, I'm not trying to be false in my response to this. But they, as far as protesters go are genuinely concerned people that have felt that the government is now encroaching upon their lands. But whether you feel one way or another about this event, they are still relatively civil within their outrage. No peoples small business's were destroyed. No rapes or murders, and no shitting on top of patrol cars. These people would much rather be at their normal jobs of running their ranches than to have to be there fighting to maintain what they feel is their right under what the constitution has granted them. It is something that is touching them directly, so I do see the differences between them and the others, for the reasons that I have stated above. Actually, for peace sake, I hoping that I could say that it did constitute this same level of contempt that I felt towards those others, but in my opinion it doesn't. They just haven't behaved as abhorrently. I am going to make a brief comment and then I will be silent. They took government property. They are trying to incite and they are armed. The people they are protesting for broke the law. You know how everyone is always saying "don't want trouble, don't break the law." In conclusion, these are traitors and cowards. If they were brown they would already be dead. I am done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Well, I disagree entirely. But that too is a right that is granted to us under the constitution. It's just that way in life. You will never get everyone to think or believe as you do. But as I've said before with people such as Ben. That doesn't necessarily make them bad people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG 150 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Wait a second here. This rancher Hammond made a grazing rights contract with the U.S. Government back in 1930 for rights to graze cattle on government land. They set back fires to create firelines between the ranch land and out of control fires. The served prison time for an arson charge, then a Judge decided that their sentence didn't follow Federal Sentencing Guidelines for 'arsonists'. So they must return to jail effective 1/4 to finish off the imposed sentence. The Hammond's agreed to turn themselves in with no argument when this other guy (Bundy) came stomping onto Hammond's property claiming that he was here to help. Hammond told Bundy to get lost, he didn't want his help. Bundy has like a cult following of sorts that the Hammond family want no part of. I've read this account on several sites and they all matched interviews with both Hammond an Bundy. Where CNN (Certainly Not News) came up with this twisted story is beyond me. Hammond is considered as sort of a Philanthropist in his community and is very generous to the local area financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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