Foamy T. Squirrel Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Trump doesn't care about having friends. Nor does he patronize voting blocks to gain power, either domestically or internationally. He's just plain Trump. He's unpredictable, and he likes it that way. When negotiating, unpredictability is a great asset. I seriously doubt Putin is happy with the situation when dealing with Trump, though he's probably getting a good laugh about the reaction of the DNC. As for Trump and Obama's deficiencies, I do have a problem with US Presidents who go on late night comedy shows and social media. But the days of an American President showing some class and respect for the office have eroded substantially. We have spent decades dealing with North Korea like Chamberlain did with Hitler; it has only enhanced the power of this little jerk in North Korea, and encouraged his megalomaniac tendencies. If you support authoritarian governments, you simply must comply as a child of the Third Communist International: you will blame the US and other western democratic republics. If you do, you must question that if the US was so evil, why did it not threaten to use its nuclear power when it had a monopoly to curtail the expansion of authoritarian governments? Now rogue states have control of enough nukes to do what they want. I doubt this is a good thing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said: If you do, you must question that if the US was so evil, why did it not threaten to use its nuclear power when it had a monopoly to curtail the expansion of authoritarian governments? Now rogue states have control of enough nukes to do what they want. I doubt this is a good thing. The US had a very short monopoly on nuclear weapons - Russia tested its first bomb in '49, and the Korean war started a year after that. It was, as we all know, a proxy war between the US and USSR so the threat to use nuclear weapons could not have been used by the US. It isn't a virtue of the US that they didn't threaten to use them, it was simply sound policy to not invite a retaliatory Russian nuke. Like @van the man said, what action can be taken? Trump talking about using nukes is ridiclous but no one is surprised by such an immature response from the US President anymore. I'm hoping that the CIA is keeping tabs on the little butterball's movements and is ready to take him and all his generals out, quickly and relatively painlessly. Maybe that is all we can hope for and that NK's replacement leadership will have more sense. I can't see China having too much of an issue with a quick surgical strike. But... There's too many interested big guys, Russia, China and the US could easily find themselves in WW3 if the US President fucks this up - that President is Donald Fucking Trump - God help us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy T. Squirrel Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Saying that you will use nukes is a very good response for a nation that might be attacked by nukes. 1) Nukes are a game changer. They prevented a land war in WWII after the Germans were defeated. Stalin had to stop at Central Europe. Find me a Central European populace that thinks that Stalin liberated them. 2) Nukes are a deterrent. Anyone notice that gas was used by both sides in WW1? But not in WW2? It was because the results were unpredictable and could not be controlled on the battlefield, and it would invite the use of them by the enemy, with unpredictable results. 3) I think we all understand that the results of a nuclear war are unpredictable; perhaps because we won't be around to see the results so the point is rather moot. 4) Somehow I'm reminded of "Boy and His Dog," and Mad Max movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." --- Albert Einstein (maybe) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 56 minutes ago, van the man said: There are only a few people in the world who have the ability to develop a nuclear bomb. The number of physicists in the world must be limited and certainly the number of physicists in NK must be very limited. The US (hopefully with the help of China and Russia) need to locate these people and simply 'eliminate' them. US intelligence is very sophisticated so it shouldn't take them too long to discover their whereabouts. A good guess would be near the location of NK nuclear bases. That is not correct. The process for making the bombs is quite well known. The problem is making the necessary isotopes in large quantities. How to do it is not really the issue, it's just very difficult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy T. Squirrel Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Spoon said: That is not correct. The process for making the bombs is quite well known. The problem is making the necessary isotopes in large quantities. How to do it is not really the issue, it's just very difficult. Obviously, it's not difficult enough. One dirty bomb can ruin your whole day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Just now, Foamy T. Squirrel said: Obviously, it's not difficult enough. One dirty bomb can ruin your whole day. A bit nit-picky perhaps, but a dirty bomb has nothing to do with nuclear bombs. It's just a regular bomb with nuclear waste, like from a nuclear power plant which isn't refined and of the wrong type for bomb making. It's still bad since it's still radioactive of course but it's not nearly as destructive. Also, much much easier to make since it's basically a regular explosive (if you can handle the radioactive component). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thestarider Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Maturin said: The US had a very short monopoly on nuclear weapons - Russia tested its first bomb in '49, and the Korean war started a year after that. It was, as we all know, a proxy war between the US and USSR so the threat to use nuclear weapons could not have been used by the US. It isn't a virtue of the US that they didn't threaten to use them, it was simply sound policy to not invite a retaliatory Russian nuke. Like @van the man said, what action can be taken? Trump talking about using nukes is ridiclous but no one is surprised by such an immature response from the US President anymore. I'm hoping that the CIA is keeping tabs on the little butterball's movements and is ready to take him and all his generals out, quickly and relatively painlessly. Maybe that is all we can hope for and that NK's replacement leadership will have more sense. I can't see China having too much of an issue with a quick surgical strike. But... There's too many interested big guys, Russia, China and the US could easily find themselves in WW3 if the US President fucks this up - that President is Donald Fucking Trump - God help us! Who has surrounded himself with some of the finest military minds the US has to offer. Trump will not go to war without a war council Maturin, and we are in good hands with the military minds he has at his side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thestarider Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 My son just sent me a message and told me that his ship (USS Bataan) was surrounded by Iranian patrol boats, six of them to be exact in International waters, They took the laser finders from their weapons and pointed them at helicopters trying to land on the ship, in response which is not being reported, the ship opened fire with a 50 cal and sprayed circles around the little patrol boats with gatlin type 50 cal, the Iranians boats immediately packed up and hauled ass never looking back...... Don't fuck with the US military especially the Marines It is about time we quit taking these want a be military types shit.. Yahoo talks about it briefly but says nothing about our response... The leftist Liberal media really sucks. Tecnical Data Namesake 5th in Wasp Class Second ship to bear the name. Dimensions 844 ft bow to stern 106 ft across beam. Propulsion Two 35,000 hp steam propulsion plants 25+ kts. Compliment Outfitted for 3,200 Sailors and Marines. First Navy ship specifically designed to house females (450). Extensive Medical Facility 600-bed hospital, second only to hospital ships. Weapons Rolling Airframe Anti-Ship Missile Launching Systems NATO Sea Sparrow Surface-to-Air Missile Launching Systems Phalanx Close-In-Weapons Systems 25mm Gun Mounts 50-Caliber Gun Mounts Aircraft AV-8B Harrier Attack Planes AH1-Cobra Helicopters UH-1Y Huey Helicopters CH-53 Super Stallion Marine Helicopters MH 60S Knight Hawk Helicopters MV-22 Osprey Tilt Rotor Aircraft Landing Craft Landing Craft Air Cushion (LCAC) Landing Craft Utility (LCU) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeusa Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4777622/North-Korean-general-WWIII-Kim-Jong-Donald-Trump.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstern1230 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Never got revenge from the 444 days of 53 Americans use Boeing new buster bunker bomb that will be our Nuclear inspection, Obozo the clown a terrorist lover like Hillary in Benghazi gives $ billions on pallets of cash, and calls off Hezbollah drug run, stock piling weapons for Israel and Hamas. With Saudi Sunnis tension with Iran gives bombing revenge for also killing Marines in Afgan. and Iraq. With Obozo. clock now says you can have Nuclear weapons with all the billion of dollars we gave you? The clown responds "Der Der, great plan huh Susan Rice, keep it secret, say its due to video that Billions are given do Iran, which I have to apologize, just because I am a communists socialist alt-leftest slime swamp democrat and love illegal mexicans they have a 2nd bill of rights welfare for life and iphones. Noticed Harry Balls went out of his U.K. ISIS Caliphate to find his squeeze, no freedom there in Brexit, Sharia law and explosive cafes, and the shrimpy radical islamic mayor "says everything is ok" He'll say it as Markle lays dead at the cafe and Harry Balls with his hands always in his coat squeezing his boob or rubbing one out deciding what to do, all Brexit chicks wear Burkas, ugh. Trump time for the NOKO one more missle launched we be condsidered an act of war, we strike with tomahawks (if Pocahontas does not object) hit identified missile launchers then Seals pick up fat shrimpy rocketman take him to Gitmo to wash his face on a board then join bin laden, China fuck'in liers worthless shits, go for full trade war. Thanks Obozo, for doing nothing and in early 1950's end at a stalemate nuke the fucks, fuck Russia an China U.N. "Im afraid', god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstern1230 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 On 8/10/2017 at 11:09 AM, Maturin said: So, the leaders of all four players, US, NK, China and Russia have mental problems. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. What I find weird is how anyone could think that the US could possibly win a war by invading NK. The US can't and doesn't win wars. It hasn't since WW2. After looking at the pathetic mess of Vietnam and Iraq, Afghanistan, no one in their right mind could contemplate that America could successfully invade NK - a country that has been on a war footing since it was set up after the mess of the Korean war. If people are still fighting against you, then no matter what GW proclaimed about Iraq, you haven't won. What could the US possibly do? Shock and awe? Yeah that worked brilliant in Iraq didn't it? Bomb them back to the stone age? Those fuckers are barely out of the pre-industrial age! What's that going to achieve? NK has the biggest concentration of artillery on the entire planet and it's all aimed at Seoul. Within minutes of Trump's fire and fury bullshit being enacted, NK would easily reduce the capital of South Korea to rubble - all of it gone, in minutes. This is the reason why no one has ever tried to fuck with them. France cannot even win its terrorism B.S., letting the leader of one blast pass the border 5 times, duh? do we have picture and he has dark hair and a beard. You keep having terrorist attack letting in those millions of innocent Syrians ready to strike like the radical islamic mayor nut job that says "evrything is ok" no more freedom following Sharia law run by Harry Balls, cannot find wife in U.K ISIS all chicks wear Burkas. Now Barcelona boats come ashore from Africa of terrorist get out get free welfare, I guess they do not have a coast guard, der. Pyscho Macaroni is trying to keep migrants out, will never happen, all terrorists are welcome cops do not go into terrorist neighborhoods. E.U. on travel ban, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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