jabbath1987 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 What really baffles me is the hatred the two parties in the USA have for each other. Also their supporters seem to be not interested into any normal discussion with each other. Things like that would be never possible here. The parties should serve the people and help them to represent the different opinions in parliament. Have the feeling they are only busy with themselves and do what people who pay them the most money want from them. And I wonder why there are only two big parties in the US? Why is there on liberal or green party or left wing party to vote for? When I had the right to vote in the US I would not feel at home with both of the two parties point of view. Don't you think more political diversity would be nice? Sorry for off topic. Just something really strange to me I noticed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, jabbath1987 said: What really baffles me is the hatred the two parties in the USA have for each other. Also their supporters seem to be not interested into any normal discussion with each other. Things like that would be never possible here. The parties should serve the people and help them to represent the different opinions in parliament. Have the feeling they are only busy with themselves and do what people who pay them the most money want from them. And I wonder why there are only two big parties in the US? Why is there on liberal or green party or left wing party to vote for? When I had the right to vote in the US I would not feel at home with both of the two parties point of view. Don't you think more political diversity would be nice? Sorry for off topic. Just something really strange to me I noticed. Absolutely spot on. Especially when US voters treat their elections in the same way the support their sports teams. They trash talk each other and trash talk the politicians like the only thing that matters is the affiliation and the colour of the party/team. None of them actually talk about policies amd when they do the policy "discussion" is used only to precede the trash talk of the opposite party or representative. I'm convinced that if any Republican came out with bona fide socialist policies then Republicans would vote for them anyway. All they would have to do is lie and say the policies are not socialist, infact the policy are blah blah. Republican voters would still vote for it because policy isn't important - fame, size of fan rallies, celebrity profile, that's what's important to American voters. And they dress it up in a two party system where both parties arten't really that different and the leaders of the parties are in thrall to unelected lobby groups anyway - democracy in the land of the "free," eh? Sad! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbath1987 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Maturin said: Absolutely spot on. Especially when US voters treat their elections in the same way the support their sports teams. They trash talk each other and trash talk the politicians like the only thing that matters is the affiliation and the colour of the party/team. None of them actually talk about policies amd when they do the policy "discussion" is used only to precede the trash talk of the opposite party or representative. I'm convinced that if any Republican came out with bona fide socialist policies then Republicans would vote for them anyway. All they would have to do is lie and say the policies are not socialist, infact the policy are blah blah. Republican voters would still vote for it because policy isn't important - fame, size of fan rallies, celebrity profile, that's what's important to American voters. And they dress it up in a two party system where both parties arten't really that different and the leaders of the parties are in thrall to unelected lobby groups anyway - democracy in the land of the "free," eh? Sad! It is rather more than an oligarchy I would say. Because only people with a lot of money can become president and influence the two parties to do what they want... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 It's a mixutre of all of them excepting the first one representing actual democracy, isn't it. US politics has degenerated into elite broad hereditary rule in which you can only join the club if you've gotten rich by fucking over the citizens. So we have the interest groups, and in the US it's the military industrial complex and the oil and gun lobbies that have the most influence there, yet, they are also the ones that dominate business - of course there are the shysters like Jeff Bezos who is able to join in because he has become rich by underpaying his staff and cuting benefits etc. Meanwhile, the US citizens consistenly vote against their own interests and actively hound and trash talk polititcians that want to give the citizens more power. This trash talking comes in the form of merely repeating the lies that they hear from their rightwing TV channels - which exist to serve the propaganda aims of interest and business groups that make up the oligarchy. Oh and to be leader of this oligrachy, the so say "leader of the free world," you need to raise at least a billion campaign dollars (donated by factions within the interest and business groups) in order to prove that you've got what it takes. Meanwhile, yeah, homeless problems, unemployment, ill-health bankruptcy and all the other good stuff that defines the US nowadays. This is the reason why US politics is so partisan, with citizens making unreasonable arguments to bolster the appearance of loyalty to their "team. The oligarchy has wifully allowed education standards and critical fuctioning to degenerate to such low levels, in order to stop American citizens from taking a look around and seeing how shit everything is. They are too busy character assasinating politicians that want to give them things like health care that is free at the point of need - like most of the developed and developing world! And yet, there is still a large population of these people that come on international forums and message boards who think that saying, "your country sucks. Your PM is a pussy. We saved you in WW2 because the US used to be good," is actually a genuinely viable way to communicate with people around the world. It's fucking mental really! 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbath1987 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Maturin said: It's a mixutre of all of them excepting the first one representing actual democracy, isn't it. US politics has degenerated into elite broad hereditary rule in which you can only join the club if you've gotten rich by fucking over the citizens. So we have the interest groups, and in the US it's the military industrial complex and the oil and gun lobbies that have the most influence there, yet, they are also the ones that dominate business - of course there are the shysters like Jeff Bezos who is able to join in because he has become rich by underpaying his staff and cuting benefits etc. Meanwhile, the US citizens consistenly vote against their own interests and actively hound and trash talk polititcians that want to give the citizens more power. This trash talking comes in the form of merely repeating the lies that they hear from their rightwing TV channels - which exist to serve the propaganda aims of interest and business groups that make up the oligarchy. Oh and to be leader of this oligrachy, the so say "leader of the free world," you need to raise at least a billion campaign dollars (donated by factions within the interest and business groups) in order to prove that you've got what it takes. Meanwhile, yeah, homeless problems, unemployment, ill-health bankruptcy and all the other good stuff that defines the US nowadays. This is the reason why US politics is so partisan, with citizens making unreasonable arguments to bolster the appearance of loyalty to their "team. The oligarchy has wifully allowed education standards and critical fuctioning to degenerate to such low levels, in order to stop American citizens from taking a look around and seeing how shit everything is. They are too busy character assasinating politicians that want to give them things like health care that is free at the point of need - like most of the developed and developing world! And yet, there is still a large population of these people that come on international forums and message boards who think that saying, "your country sucks. Your PM is a pussy. We saved you in WW2 because the US used to be good," is actually a genuinely viable way to communicate with people around the world. It's fucking mental really! 😂 Well they all should come down there and do what they are actually made for. Serve the people and not the 1% richest people or the NRA... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just now, jabbath1987 said: Well they all should come down there and do what they are actually made for. Serve the people and not the 1% richest people or the NRA... Aye, that swamp draining that was promised is going about as well as everyone thought it would, eh?! 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbath1987 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just now, Maturin said: Aye, that swamp draining that was promised is going about as well as everyone thought it would, eh?! 😂 You can't drain a swamp when you are part of it yourself... But to be honest I think Hillary would have not been a good choice too... She is into the swamp the same way... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbath1987 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 The only one I think can drain the swamp is Sanders. But he is too old for the job. And no he is not a communist. He is as far "left" as the president of France or the Chancellor of Germany 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, jabbath1987 said: You can't drain a swamp when you are part of it yourself... But to be honest I think Hillary would have not been a good choice too... She is into the swamp the same way... As Southpark put it, it was a choice between a giant douch and a turd sandwich. Yet US voters are happy to wave the flag for either one if it means they don't have to look at how ridiculous their democratic process is. 5 minutes ago, jabbath1987 said: The only one I think can drain the swamp is Sanders. But he is too old for the job. And no he is not a communist. He is as far "left" as the president of France or the Chancellor of Germany 😉 Agreed, I doubt he'll get the nomination this time around either because as I wrote, he's not part of the oligarchy that dominates both parties. I hope that the US gets a party and representatives that are for the people rather than for the elite but until they realise that that is what they need, it'll never happen. Projecting into the future, can you imagine the amount of bullshit that will be generated when/if AOC decides to run for president?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbath1987 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, Maturin said: As Southpark put it, it was a choice between a giant douch and a turd sandwich. Yet US voters are happy to wave the flag for either one if it means they don't have to look at how ridiculous their democratic process is. Agreed, I doubt he'll get the nomination this time around either because as I wrote, he's not part of the oligarchy that dominates both parties. I hope that the US gets a party and representatives that are for the people rather than for the elite but until they realise that that is what they need, it'll never happen. Projecting into the future, can you imagine the amount of bullshit that will be generated when/if AOC decides to run for president?! Agree. But who is AOC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPYING 1 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, jabbath1987 said: Agree. But who is AOC? Aoc is another communist that want to destroy America like bernie sanders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbath1987 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, SPYING 1 said: Aoc is another communist that want to destroy America like bernie sanders It seems you never learned what a communist is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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