Discussion: 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) #1

[Thestarider]

58 minutes ago, letsdothis said:

What you say here is a bit confusing. Here's why.

First, some of the countries you listed don't belong to the EU. Second,
you show numbers pertaining to the EU, immediately followed by a
comparison of the landmass of the US vs Europe (not the same as the
EU).

When you said you may have missed a few countries belonging to the
EU, that was correct. The EU is made up of 27 countries. Europe is
comprised of 44.

The European Union and Countries in the EU

Countries in Europe

 

Well then I will stand corrected, but the Chinese and Russian numbers are skewed and we all know that. They do not report to the WHO the true accurate numbers.

Lets just do the EU and USA shall we

The EU =332,436 to date cases of Infection...Deaths = 20,589 to date currently=6.19%

The US =123,311 to date cases of infection...Deaths =   2,211 to date currently=1.79%

Both health care systems have failed the people of both the EU and USA, but it appears to be much more significant in the Universal healthcare systems of the EU than it is in the US health care capitolistic health care system.

What is very encouraging is the recovery rate of the critical patients requiring healthcare intervention. 21.35% currently to date worldwide. That should give everyone hope the very best medical professionals and very best of research and development scientist are working very hard to help all of the people of the world.

4,422,773 km2. EU... 513 million population. Infections per capita = .064%

9,826,630 km2. USA..... 327 million population. Infections per capita = .037%

Because the EU is so densely populated compared to the USA a person stands twice the chance to be infected currently to date.

[Thestarider]

7 minutes ago, StarLight28 said:

Sorry, das ist Fiktion. In China leben Menschen und Tiere seit vielen 100 Jahren zusammen. Wissenschaftler sind sicher das Corona

zwischen Tieren und Menschen NICHT  getauscht wird.

Nach Experten wurde das Virus im Reagenzglas erzeugt. Vermutlich in der USA um als biologische Waffe gegen China Einsatz zu finden.

Das Experiment geriet außer Kontrolle. Die USA ist nun Opfer. Böse Taten schlagen zurück.😁

Bei dem schlechten US-Gesundheits-System kann die USA sterben. Nach Trump ist Ostern alles vorbei. Wie dumm muß ein "US-Präsident" sein ???

You have now been warned to take your political hack crap to the political threads by a forum Moderator. This thread is a serious thread for discussion of the COVID - 19 Epidemic. Do you understand ?

Discussion: 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

[letsdothis]

On 3/27/2020 at 9:54 PM, Robwin said:

Lol great that's all we need and then we shall have millions with the bloody clap lool.....sorry, my humour lol

LOL! From watching a video?? 🤣

[letsdothis]

24 minutes ago, Thestarider said:

Well then I will stand corrected, but the Chinese and Russian numbers are skewed and we all know that. They do not report to the WHO the true accurate numbers.

While I agree that China and Russia may have erroneously reported their
numbers, we don't actually know that to be true. We believe it because we
don't trust them to do otherwise. But, that's not the same as proof positive.

On the other hand, I believe, IMO, that Trump will control the release of the
number of dead due to this virus, in order to make the situation look better
than it is, which I'm sure he believes will make himself look better.

Also, the EU and Europe were infected before the US, so understandably,
their numbers and percentages will be higher than the US. However, I
don't believe that will be the case for much longer, considering the rate of
exponential rise in new cases every day. It was close to 20,000 today.

[StarLight28]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte Thestarider:

Na dann werde ich korrigiert stehen, aber die anspruchsvollen und zahlen Zahlen sind verzerrt und das wissen wir alle. Sie melden der WHO nicht die wahrheitsgemäßen Zahlen.

Machen wir einfach die EU und die USA

Die EU = 332.436 bis heute wird von ... ... = 20.589 bis heute aktuell = 6,19%

Die USA = 123.311 bis heute wird von ... ... = 2.211 bis heute aktuell = 1,79%

Beide Gesundheitssysteme haben die Menschen auch in der EU als auch in den USA gescheitert, aber es sehen in den universellen Gesundheitssystemen der EU viel bedeutender zu sein als im kapitalistischen Gesundheitssystem der USA.

Was sehr wichtigigend ist, ist die Genesungsrate der medizinischen Patienten, die eine medizinische Intervention ist. Einige 21,35% welt. Das heißt all die Hoffnung geben, dass die besten Mediziner und die besten Forschungs- und Entwicklungswissenschaftler sehr hart daran arbeiten, alle Menschen auf der Welt zu helfen.

4.422.773 km2. EU ...  513 Millionen Einwohner. Wahr pro Kopf = 0,064%

9,826,630 km2 . USA ..... 327 Millionen Einwohner. Wahr pro Kopf = 0,037%

Da die EU im Vergleich zu den USA so dicht besiedelt ist, wird die doppelte Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass eine Person aktuell infiziert wird.

Die Zahlen sind Fiktion. EU und Deutschland als Kernland der EU sind total betroffen. Deutschland hat ein gutes Gesundheitssystem, Italien ein böses Gesundheitssystem - und die USA  ???

Warten wir ab. Ostern kommt noch und der 1. Mai ist fern. Ich wünsche allen guten Gesundheit!

[StarLight28]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte Thestarider:

Sie wurden jetzt von einem Forum-Moderator gewarnt, Ihre politischen Hack-Mist in den politischen Fäden zu bringen. Dieser Thread ist ein ernstzunehmender Thread zur Diskussion der COVID-19-Epidemie. Verstehst du?

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Es geht hier um Corona und den Folgen. Richtig. Und wenn der US-Präsident Trump als Nicht-Mediziner Märchen-sagt - bis Ostern ist alles gut -

dann muß das in einem Forum kommentiert werden. Verstehen Sie das ?? Widerspruch -  gegen Ihre "Warnung"!

 

 

Sorry, die US-google Übersetzung ist der reine Horror, total dumm.

[StarLight28]

11 hours ago, firewall said:

Vergessen Sie nicht, dass dies nur der Beginn der Epidemie in den USA ist. Ich denke, in Europa hat die Epidemie in den USA vielleicht zwei Wochen Vorsprung, und die große Welle kommt in den USA an und wird auch eine Menge Schaden anrichten

Der Mann hat total recht !! US-Menschen zieht Euch warm an. Bei dem miserablen US-Gesundheitssystem kann Corona böse Folgen haben.

Gute Besserung USA.

[StarLight28]

Aktuell sind in den USA 124.464 Corona infiziert. Allein in NY 672 Tote. Doppelt soviel wie in Deutschland mit 82 Million Einwohner.

Die USA hat 50 Bundesstaaten. Wie viel US-Tote total - Schweigen. Gute Besserung USA.

[Thestarider]

France confirms three cases of coronavirus, the first in Europe  

•  
• Friday 24 January 2020 20:33

CDC confirms first case of coronavirus in the United States

January 21, 2020 / 6:01 PM / CBS News

I would say it was more like the same time both Europe and USA were infected and by Chinease travelers in both cases

[StarLight28]

4 hours ago, Thestarider said:

Frankreich bestätigt drei Fälle von Coronavirus, den ersten in Europa  

•  
• Freitag, 24. Januar 2020, 20:33 Uhr

CDC bestätigt ersten Fall von Coronavirus in den Vereinigten Staaten

21. Januar 2020 / 18:01 Uhr / CBS News

Ich würde sagen, es war eher die gleiche Zeit, in der sowohl Europa als auch die USA infiziert waren und in beiden Fällen von Chinease-Reisenden

Sorry Sir. Wo das Virus zuerst gesehen wurde ist null Beweis. Es wird heute viel geschrieben, ich weiß - und ich glaube nicht alles davon.

Ich bin Wissenschaftler mit Studium und kein Narr. Aus einem Reagenzglas kann man Viren gezielt überall aussetzen - bei genug krimineller Energie.

Es müssen nicht die "bösen" Chinesen sein. Denken Sie mal darüber nach. Die Wahrheit wird irgendwann bekannt werden.

Meine Aussage: "Das Imperium schlägt zurück" war mutig und vielleicht Provokation - sicher bin ich nicht. Warten wir die Ergebnisse der Forschung ab.

In Deutschland war der 1. Fall von Coronavirus erst 2 Monate später. Gute Gesundheit ALLEN.

Und den möglichen Tätern: "Sie wußten nicht was sie tun".

[Thestarider]

China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World

Beijing is successfully dodging culpability for its role in spreading the coronavirus.

The evidence of China’s deliberate cover-up of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan is a matter of public record. In suppressing information about the virus, doing little to contain it, and allowing it to spread unchecked in the crucial early days and weeks, the regime imperiled not only its own country and its own citizens but also the more than 100 nations now facing their own potentially devastating outbreaks. More perniciously, the Chinese government censored and detained those brave doctors and whistleblowers who attempted to sound the alarm and warn their fellow citizens when they understood the gravity of what was to come. Yet in de-emphasizing where the epidemic began (something China has been aggressively pushing for), we run the risk of obscuring Beijing’s role in letting the disease spread beyond its borders. 

China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat. 

This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan. In a 2019 article, Chinese experts warned it was “highly likely that future SARS- or MERS-like coronavirus outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China.” In a 2007 journal article, infectious-disease specialists published a study arguing that “the presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.” It was ignored.

But is this a time for blame? Yes, it is. Accounting for responsibility when a disaster happens—particularly one likely to devastate entire countries, leaving thousands dead—is not beside the point, particularly as Chinese officials move to take advantage of the crisis and launch a disinformation campaign claiming that the U.S. Army introduced the virus. Well before the new coronavirus spread across American cities, the Chinese regime was already rather creatively trolling U.S. publications, expelling American journalists, and “weaponizing wokeness” over anything it perceived as critical of China’s role in mishandling the epidemic. To hear Chinese spokespeople use the language of racism and prejudice is somewhat surreal, considering this is a regime that has put more than 1 million Muslims and ethnic minorities in “reeducation” camps.

[AntEater]

1 hour ago, Thestarider said:

China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World

Beijing is successfully dodging culpability for its role in spreading the coronavirus.

The evidence of China’s deliberate cover-up of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan is a matter of public record. In suppressing information about the virus, doing little to contain it, and allowing it to spread unchecked in the crucial early days and weeks, the regime imperiled not only its own country and its own citizens but also the more than 100 nations now facing their own potentially devastating outbreaks. More perniciously, the Chinese government censored and detained those brave doctors and whistleblowers who attempted to sound the alarm and warn their fellow citizens when they understood the gravity of what was to come. Yet in de-emphasizing where the epidemic began (something China has been aggressively pushing for), we run the risk of obscuring Beijing’s role in letting the disease spread beyond its borders. 

China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat. 

This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan. In a 2019 article, Chinese experts warned it was “highly likely that future SARS- or MERS-like coronavirus outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China.” In a 2007 journal article, infectious-disease specialists published a study arguing that “the presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.” It was ignored.

But is this a time for blame? Yes, it is. Accounting for responsibility when a disaster happens—particularly one likely to devastate entire countries, leaving thousands dead—is not beside the point, particularly as Chinese officials move to take advantage of the crisis and launch a disinformation campaign claiming that the U.S. Army introduced the virus. Well before the new coronavirus spread across American cities, the Chinese regime was already rather creatively trolling U.S. publications, expelling American journalists, and “weaponizing wokeness” over anything it perceived as critical of China’s role in mishandling the epidemic. To hear Chinese spokespeople use the language of racism and prejudice is somewhat surreal, considering this is a regime that has put more than 1 million Muslims and ethnic minorities in “reeducation” camps.

An accident is an accident just like a natural disaster. You can't blame anybody when Mother Nature is involved and the State Department with all it's intelligence has not pointed the finger at China so that says a lot because I know they wouldn't hold back if they did think something was up.

Same reason why the US was never held accountable for the Spanish Flu. Sometimes shit just happens...