Howard Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Ridgerunner said: With what "Sleepy Joe" said today, apparently the Democrats will now pursue an America last foreign policy. The American people should really love that. Don't forget - Obama had no foreign policy. And aon top of that, he appointed lazy John Kerry as Sec of State, who said there would never be peace in the middle east. What was that you say? Jared Kushner brokered a peace deal between Israel and FOUR Arab nations. Kushner, who had no political background. Kushner, nominated for a Nobel for brokering the deal (to this day, nobody knows why Obama received a Nobel). Our country has always thrived more with a Republican in the big chair. You can't dispute the facts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_U812 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 40 minutes ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said: List them. We've got plenty of bandwidth. Candor: 1. During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims; one report gave the number as 30,573. Policies: Abolishing US programs aimed at encouraging Central American asylum seekers to stay home. George W. Bush implemented programs in Central America aimed at encouraging potential asylum seekers to stay home. Obama took those programs and expanded them. These programs worked—every neighborhood they were tried in, gang violence went down, death squad activity went down, and the percentage/number of people leaving for the US went down. Donald Trump cut them, then eliminated them. We’ve had more families from Central America seeking asylum to the US in 3 years of Trump then we did in 16 total years of Bush and Obama—epic fail! Donald Trump implemented a series of tariffs against China starting a trade war. Trump has sold this as you either have a trade war or you roll over to China—that’s stupid. There are hundreds of actions the USG could do that would pressure China to give ground on their trade and economic policy: supporting publicly demonstrators in Hong Kong; enforcing trade sanctions on North Korea; pushing countries (like the Solomon Islands) to continue to recognize Taiwan. This is simple stuff that doesn’t cost the US much but it’s a BFD for China. Be clear, the trade war is effectively a huge tax, it has significantly hurt US manufacturing (the US manufacturing sector has been in a recession for 6 months now), it has significantly hurt US agriculture (farm bankruptcies are near an all-time high in some states) and there has been no progress—none. Abandoning the Kurds. Talk to anyone in the US military, especially those with any background in Iraq or Syria, and they’ll tell you that the US decision to suddenly cut and run on the Kurds was shameful. Strategically it was stupid. It effectively eliminated the best proxy force the US had in that part of the world. ISIS/Daesh will rise again in some form but next time we won’t have the Kurds to fight them. Oh, and there are now more US troops in Syria then there were before Trump told Erdogan he wouldn’t stand in the way if Turkey invaded Northern Syria. In short, absolutely nothing good from a US perspective came out of this decision. Shutting down the government for the longest period in US history. This was done over funding for his wall (which he didn’t get funded after all was said and done). And in the process of shutting it down, he actually increased immigration problems (because his government shutdown shut down the E-verify system making it easier and legal to hire someone without proof of citizenship, and also shut down the immigration courts which increased the length of time some people who are here illegally can stay). In short, Donald Trump took action which worsened the issue he was trying to get action on (immigration control). The CBO concluded that the shutdown cost the US economy at least $11 billion and we have nothing to show for it. At a time when the US is running an unprecedented $1 trillion deficit during a growth economy (this is unheard of), the Trump Administration seriously cut the CDC, especially their resources for pandemic response. Because of climate change and global travel, the risk of global pandemics is only increasing, yet Trump has seen fit to reduce our readiness and preparation in this area. And now we’re seeing it in play as the coronavirus hits China and is starting to spread outside it’s borders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_U812 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 45 minutes ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said: There seems to be quite a few of our friends from Beijing using US proxies here...humm. 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, StarLight28 said: Finally stop believing these Trump lies. YOU thereby make yourself an idiot. Many independent US courts have said NO to these outrageous lies. Finally forget Trump's asshole - Trump is a loser that prison is waiting for. Don't be a fool. 😁 Most of those courts never allowed any evidence to be presented because the judges did not want to be part of overturming an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robwin Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Hey @O_U812 you should run for president as you would solve all america's problems in an instant 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, StarLight28 said: Here, too, you are wrong. Unfortunately, Obama did NOT meet many expectations. Biden was Vice President and could not shape his own policy bypassing Obama. Now he can! His accents in a short time are a proud achievement! 😆 Glad you like that Biden(Obama) has decided to not remove American soldiers from Germany as Trump was going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Robwin said: Hey @O_U812 you should run for president as you would solve all america's problems in an instant 👍 By building solar panels or pouring concrete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, O_U812 said: Again, lies from a liar named Ridge. You need to check the news ever now and then. Biden did tell the G-7 members that he was ending Trump's "America First" policy in a virtual speech today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, O_U812 said: Candor: 1. During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims; one report gave the number as 30,573. Policies: Abolishing US programs aimed at encouraging Central American asylum seekers to stay home. George W. Bush implemented programs in Central America aimed at encouraging potential asylum seekers to stay home. Obama took those programs and expanded them. These programs worked—every neighborhood they were tried in, gang violence went down, death squad activity went down, and the percentage/number of people leaving for the US went down. Donald Trump cut them, then eliminated them. We’ve had more families from Central America seeking asylum to the US in 3 years of Trump then we did in 16 total years of Bush and Obama—epic fail! Donald Trump implemented a series of tariffs against China starting a trade war. Trump has sold this as you either have a trade war or you roll over to China—that’s stupid. There are hundreds of actions the USG could do that would pressure China to give ground on their trade and economic policy: supporting publicly demonstrators in Hong Kong; enforcing trade sanctions on North Korea; pushing countries (like the Solomon Islands) to continue to recognize Taiwan. This is simple stuff that doesn’t cost the US much but it’s a BFD for China. Be clear, the trade war is effectively a huge tax, it has significantly hurt US manufacturing (the US manufacturing sector has been in a recession for 6 months now), it has significantly hurt US agriculture (farm bankruptcies are near an all-time high in some states) and there has been no progress—none. Abandoning the Kurds. Talk to anyone in the US military, especially those with any background in Iraq or Syria, and they’ll tell you that the US decision to suddenly cut and run on the Kurds was shameful. Strategically it was stupid. It effectively eliminated the best proxy force the US had in that part of the world. ISIS/Daesh will rise again in some form but next time we won’t have the Kurds to fight them. Oh, and there are now more US troops in Syria then there were before Trump told Erdogan he wouldn’t stand in the way if Turkey invaded Northern Syria. In short, absolutely nothing good from a US perspective came out of this decision. Shutting down the government for the longest period in US history. This was done over funding for his wall (which he didn’t get funded after all was said and done). And in the process of shutting it down, he actually increased immigration problems (because his government shutdown shut down the E-verify system making it easier and legal to hire someone without proof of citizenship, and also shut down the immigration courts which increased the length of time some people who are here illegally can stay). In short, Donald Trump took action which worsened the issue he was trying to get action on (immigration control). The CBO concluded that the shutdown cost the US economy at least $11 billion and we have nothing to show for it. At a time when the US is running an unprecedented $1 trillion deficit during a growth economy (this is unheard of), the Trump Administration seriously cut the CDC, especially their resources for pandemic response. Because of climate change and global travel, the risk of global pandemics is only increasing, yet Trump has seen fit to reduce our readiness and preparation in this area. And now we’re seeing it in play as the coronavirus hits China and is starting to spread outside it’s borders. And what was the propaganda source for your list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfactor Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, O_U812 said: Again, lies from a liar named Ridge. No actually Ridge looks at real news sources...you clearly do not. Berlin Welcomes Biden's Announcement to Keep U.S. Troops in Germany | World News | US News 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_U812 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 47 minutes ago, Robwin said: Hey @O_U812 you should run for president as you would solve all america's problems in an instant 👍 And you shouldn't get your knickers in a knot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, O_U812 said: He put us back where we belong. As the world's leader in democracy. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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