BBsq69 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 The only evidence is circumstantial. Lev and the guest are obviously close because of the way we have all observed them with each other ... if you've failed to observe this by now I can't help you. They play in a way that some people as close as siblings do. Zoya seems very comfortable with them doing this. It would be somewhat unusual to allow her boyfriend to behave in this manner with a good looking female friend - not impossible but unlikely. From this evidence, many of us draw the conclusion that it is likely she is Lev's sister. Some of you do not share that conclusion. BTW I have seen absolutely no evidence of incest. People who have are either just fantasizing, being naughty, or are predisposed to condemn others just because they exhibit behaviour outside their narrow experience. The 2 are just close, that is all. Nothing sexual or 'dirty' is going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbleobill Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 The only evidence is circumstantial. Lev and the guest are obviously close because of the way we have all observed them with each other ... if you failed to observes this by now I can't help you. They play in a way that some people as close as siblings do. Zoya seems very comfortable with them doing this. It would be somewhat unusual to allow her boyfriend to behave in this manner with a good looking female friend - not impossible but unlikely. From this evidence, many of us draw the conclusion that it is likely she is Lev's sister. Some of you do not share that conclusion. BTW I have seen absolutely no evidence of incest. People who have are either just fantasizing, being naughty, or are predisposed to condemn others just because they exhibit behaviour outside their narrow experience. The 2 are just close, that is all. Nothing sexual or 'dirty' is going on here. Artistic types, be they actors, musicians, painters or writers tend to live less conventional lives than the wage slaves whose lifestyles are far more regimented and tightly bound. It's nothing to do with them being Russian; bohemian types can exists anywhere, including Europe, Asia and even the USA! I'm sure those who live in shared houses to save money and devote themselves to their passion and to their art don't necessarily want to be tied down with mortgages or fixed relationships that curb their freedom of expression. These people are normal among themselves and probably feel that everyone else is uptight and repressed. Artists value freedom more than almost anything else, freedom of expression and freedom of expressing themselves through their art as well as their relationships. We should find it refreshing, rather than expecting them to conform to some kind of normal. There is no normal. At least in the Russia of today there's more freedom to be themselves, including the lesbian couples, than there was during the dark days of Soviet rule. We should be happy for them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBsq69 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 At least in the Russia of today there's more freedom to be themselves, including the lesbian couples, than there was during the dark days of Soviet rule. We should be happy for them all. Because Russia is all about gay rights ... There is fairly rampant homophobia in Russia including Moscow. Openly gay couples are often persecuted by Putin supporting fascists as a recent BBC documentary showed. The police turn a blind eye to assaults in the street. According to the mayor of Sochi they are no homosexuals in his town and the pole vaulter Isinbayeva (with her hot arse) spoke about how bad homosexuals were at an Olympic press conference. On the other point. They could be Bohemian or brother and sister. One argument against the former theory is that Bohemians tend to be extremely open sexually - it tends to be their defining characteristic - and as I say I have seen nothing sexual from 'the sister' and she certainly is incredibly keen to keep herself covered up in front of the camera - again atypical Bohemian behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBsq69 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Just this, simply: Zoya would not let them alone lying practically on each other unless she knew they were "safe". I don't know but maybe Russians are weird with their sibling or family relationships. The U.S. is very strong against incest, not sure about Russian law. Maybe they are cousins, not siblings. Zoya has seen them together and yet is not bothered or worried about it. Besides, these people are fucking weird! Lev doesn't even sleep much with Zoya and spends more time with his ipad. There is no evidence of incest between this pair just innocent play. I think pretty much the whole world is strict against sibling relationships. Cousins however can get married in a large part of the world including about half the US states and the UK. While it is unusual in Western Europe and North America, it is common within the Arab world and South Asia, some might argue dangerously so and there do appear to be the expected increase in genetic defects amongst those communities. Apparently East Asia is somewhat more circumspect with South Korea not even letting fairly distant relatives intermarry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbleobill Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Because Russia is all about gay rights ... There is fairly rampant homophobia in Russia including Moscow. Openly gay couples are often persecuted by Putin supporting fascists as a recent BBC documentary showed. The police turn a blind eye to assaults in the street. According to the mayor of Sochi they are no homosexuals in his town and the pole vaulter Isinbayeva (with her hot arse) spoke about how bad homosexuals were at an Olympic press conference. On the other point. They could be Bohemian or brother and sister. One argument against the former theory is that Bohemians tend to be extremely open sexually - it tends to be their defining characteristic - and as I say I have seen nothing sexual from 'the sister' and she certainly is incredibly keen to keep herself covered up in front of the camera - again atypical Bohemian behaviour. I was of course aware of the widely reported and widespread intolerance of diverse groups in today's Russia, but, perhaps naively, I'd assumed that St P was a more liberal outpost. I'm not so sure that all bohemians are all as sexually active as you suggest, just free of the overall limitations that society places on the more workaday types. Perhaps the myths about bohemian lifestyles perpetuated by the more conventional members of society have led to false impressions of their sexually liberated lifestyles? I think just living together outside a family unit is possibly already going against the norm, in many people's eyes. As for the lesbians I guess they may be unrepresentative of Russia today, even in St P. But it's interesting that in free and easy Spain, the couples are all straight and the more unconventional types are the ones living in Russian apartments.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyz Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 She is Hector Bellerin's sister :screwy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBsq69 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I was of course aware of the widely reported and widespread intolerance of diverse groups in today's Russia, but, perhaps naively, I'd assumed that St P was a more liberal outpost. I'm not so sure that all bohemians are all as sexually active as you suggest, just free of the overall limitations that society places on ore workaday types. Perhaps the myths about bohemian lifestyles perpetuated by the more conventional members of society have led to false impressions of their sexually liberated lifestyles? I think just living together outside a family unit is possibly already going against the norm, in many people's eyes. As for the lesbians I guess they may be unrepresentative of Russia today, even in St P. But it's interesting that in free and easy Spain, the couples are all straight and the more unconventional types are the ones living in Russian apartments.... Actually just after i posted I wondered about St P (although I always think of it as Leningrad) an dyou may be right. It is always seemed more socially advanced than the rest of Russia. The true (traditional) Bohemian lifestyle is almost to do what you want when you feel like it regardless of whether it is wise a decision to do it. I think Lady Gaga, although controlled in her business dealings, probably emphasises the modern day style although she is far from penniless as many Bohemians were having recklessly spent money or quit their jobs. Many of my family are in the acting profession and while they live unconventional lives they are all as far as I know monogamous. A true Bohemian believes that love making between friends is normal so for instance one might sleep with one's partner's best friend without the partner necessarily having an issue with it, secure in the knowledge that their relationship is secure ... often however the partner is mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van the man Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 The guest looks so much like Zoya that surely its impossible to think it is Lev's sister. My opinion is it is Zoya's sister who has a partner at home (hence her constant calls home and her silly girly voice ). There is zero chance of her getting naked. Anyone who goes to the trouble of showering with her clothes on is hardly likely to suddenly dance around naked! The best we can hope for is a nip slip or a quick glimpse of ass! As for Lev well i think it's right that he prefers the guests company than Zoya. Zoya seems to accept this so everyone is happy. If it means Zoya has more time alone then we can expect more entertainment from a beautiful girl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corboblanc Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 enfin un débat que je trouve intéressant, cela change!!! merci pour vos réponses pleines de bonnes analyses!!! :yes: :yes: :yes: Finally, a debate that I find interesting, it changes !!! thank you for your answers full of good analysis !!! :yes: :yes: :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehard1 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 dfCcap it sounds like your full of shit you wasn't there that night or you would know what happened and this didn't happen last week it was a long time ago not long after zoya got back from her vacation and people was talking about it on other sites i don't know about this site i just came on here about a week ago but i was there and it did happen so all i can say to you is piss on you . dfCcap if you will go to page 57 and 58 of zoya and lev pic. split 1 you will find people talking about lev and guest going to the bedroom together ,that was on september 17 ,OK, :shithappens: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookmaster8 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Let me just add for the people who seem to think that Zoya is "ok" with it that I don't believe she is. When the guest first started staying there, Zoya was very obviously NOT ok with it. She kept jumping in between them on the couch to keep Lev away from the guest. Zoya also seemed to argue with Lev in the bedroom after the early sessions. She was not happy. However, Zoya, for whatever reason, seems to be madly in love with Lev and I think that she has just resigned herself to the fact that he's going to do this stuff and that in order to keep him she's going to have to just accept it somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denizenkane Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 LOL what are "these things" he's doing? You guys are going off the deep end. The dude sits on the couch and shows her youtube videos ffs. Zero sexuality. It boggles my mind you guys can sit here and watch this day in and day out and come to any other conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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