MrBox Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 It seems that you would rather have people explain to you in every detail rather than the use expedient step of a pop culture shortcut. ... Yes, when you conclude something you should also give a meaningful statement. Especially if it is about a person. ... This is the way to arguing, if you want to be taken seriously. ... Can you not spot when she turns focus on herself? Do you have no analysis or are you not interested and if you are not interested then why waste your time responding? ... Yes. It seams that she like to be in the center point. That is all I can agree on. ... The rest do not fit to my observation. ... If you want to convince, you need to add a little more detail. ... It is simply not sufficient to describe an apple as something edible with a shell when you use this pattern to classify a dish with different fruits. This is far too general. ... Good and evil? Maybe I inject the odd bit of hyperbole now and again but I don't think I went that far ... You did. ... To me, She seams to be a nice person and I do not understand why she is rated so differently from you. ... BTW, i would also like to see her leaving, since three months seem long enough for nude only, but this is a different topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBsq69 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 The problem with your statement is that we are not in an academic arena where I have to give citations. It isa message board for voyeurs. I think your expectations for the depth of an argument are unreasonably high. I am not going spend time writing an essay. I have enough validations from the numerous top class academic institutions to be confident in my own ability so I do not need to be lectured about to present in argument in a way appropriate to the context. It is simplistic to merely define Ilona as a "Mean Girl" but from what I observed it is an obvious fit. If you do not like the term, she is someone who likes to be a key member if not the leader of a popular clique. She seems to define herself by popularity and if anyone else is trying to interest others than she will quickly try to snuff that out by interjecting as soon as the other person takes a breath. You may disagree. I am perfectly capable of arguing at any level you want but I was not looking for a debate just offering my opinion. Yes, when you conclude something you should also give a meaningful statement. Especially if it is about a person. ... This is the way to arguing, if you want to be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBox Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 ... I am perfectly capable of arguing at any level you want but I was not looking for a debate just offering my opinion. This can be seen clearly by read your answer. :) It is a shame that we will not discuss this in detail. ;) I have no issue to accept your contribution as an opinion and I can only recommend to use corresponding expressions (like: "I think" or "my opinion is") to keep this clearly. ... Opinions are much more frugal than facts. But we could also refrain to express those. Especially if they could falsely do wrong to a person. ... It is your decision. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBsq69 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Actually you have hit on a bugbear of mine. I regard "IMO" or "IMHO" (as though that is different) as redundant. It should be absolutely clear that you are stating your opinion if the subject is anything other than you can prove as a fact, which is clearly the case when providing superficial psychological analysis. IMO "IMO" is a waste of time. Just to indulge for a second, it seemed to me (there you go) then when Irma left she did not really make an attempt to interact with Anna with whom Irma seemed quite close but she gravitated towards Layla who had seemed somewhat self-obsessed when she arrived but that Irma had made real effort to bring into the group. So at one point Ilona thought of Layla as a rival and then the instant the group 'mother' (I think that is a good term for Irma because she really seem to care about being inclusive) left Ilona felt the need for a supporter. With the arrival of Danaya it did not take her long to bond but this time Ilona started to dominate making sure that while she was awake she would spend as much time in her company as possible. Whilst Ilona has not stopped cooking she has gone through long periods of staying upstairs in Danaya's room while being brought food and drink and seems to provide very little of the cleaning effort in the flat. I am not saying it is a mistress/servant relationship but there seems little question who is control. Now Adele has arrived and does not seem to be the type to be pushed around, Ilona spends little time in her company, although they do seem to be getting on better today, because she does not need her yet and maybe her tastes are different. It is interesting that she has thrust porn in front of Layla's and Danaya's faces, when this is clearly only a prelude to nothing more than horseplay unless it is "Look how switched on I am, shouldn't you be as well?" and I do not buy the "Oh I innocently discovered this" as though she was doing something naughty. Sorry to anyone who read this before, I do not know why I called Adele, Irene :-[ This can be seen clearly by read your answer. :) It is a shame that we will not discuss this in detail. ;) I have no issue to accept your contribution as an opinion and I can only recommend to use corresponding expressions (like: "I think" or "my opinion is") to keep this clearly. ... Opinions are much more frugal than facts. But we could also refrain to express those. Especially if they could falsely do wrong to a person. ... It is your decision. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyFatboy Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Actually you have it on a bugbear of mine. I regard "IMO" or "IMHO" (as though that is different) as redundant. It should be absolutely clear that you are stating your opinion if the subject is anything other than you can prove as a fact, which is clearly the case when providing superficial psychological analysis. IMO IMO is a waste of time. Just to indulge for a second, it seemed to me (there you go) then when Irma left she did not really make an attempt to interact with Anna with whom Irma seemed quite close but she gravitated towards Layla who had seemed somewhat self-obsessed when she arrived but that Irma had made real effort to bring into the group. So at one point Ilona thought of Layla as a rival and then the instant the group 'mother' (I think that is a good term for Irma because she really seem to care about being inclusive) left Ilona felt the need for a supporter. With the arrival of Danaya it did not take her long to bond but this time Ilona started to dominate making sure that while she was awake she would spend as much time in her company as possible. Whilst Ilona has not stopped cooking she has gone through long periods of staying upstairs in Danaya's room while being brought food and drink and seems to provide very little of the cleaning effort in the flat. I am not saying it is a mistress/servant relationship but there seems little question who is control. Now Irene has arrived and does not seem to be the type to be pushed around, Ilona spends little time in her company, although they do seem to be getting on better today, because she does not need her yet and maybe her tastes are different. It is interesting that she has thrust porn in front of Layla's and Danaya's faces, when this is clearly only a prelude to nothing more than horseplay unless it is "Look how switched on I am, shouldn't you be as well?" and I do not buy the "Oh I innocently discoverd this" as though she was doing something naughty. I agree with you 100% BBsq69, and what is bold is how everything should be taken in this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legrandrobert Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Who the hell is Irene ? I think you meant Adele, right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aka Norafan77 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 all the other girls have been ok in most apartments land some have been brilliant, (K&K, Anna& Irma, Leora etc etc), but I can see that iunona is something else, she goes out of her way to annoy the others who only tolerate her. please don't think I am singling her out, I just recognise the naturally unpleasant girl from the nice ones. even nora,(who was slated by many) was ok compared to ilona Did someone mention Nora ? :hi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtom35 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Can't see ilona anymore, can't see the act like a child anymore, can't see her smartphone, tablet and laptop obsession anymore, can't see her selfish way anymore, cant see a girl without manners anymore. I know, some people hate me, cause i don't like ilona, but sorry; really have a ilona disgust, i's very rarely, but it is like it is. Wake me up when she leave the house, then i'll come back :hi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dana Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Can't see ilona anymore, can't see the act like a child anymore, can't see her smartphone, tablet and laptop obsession anymore, can't see her selfish way anymore, cant see a girl without manners anymore. I know, some people hate me, cause i don't like ilona, but sorry; really have a ilona disgust, i's very rarely, but it is like it is. Wake me up when she leave the house, then i'll come back :hi: i'm with you...and, i'm starting to feel the same way about Danaya who actually had a 'viewing' personality when she got here..now, it seems she is 'owned'...all Ilona has to do is pop down between her and adele like yesterday and pout because Danaya was giving attention to adele and, Danaya melts!!! So sad...i hope she reverts back to her former self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canito Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 i liked her in the beginning but now i just wish she left. :yes: :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legrandrobert Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 i liked her in the beginning but now i just wish she left. :yes: :yes: Many think like you, I am one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelsgels6 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Many think like you, I am one of them. She acts like such a child, it kills the sexuality of this apartment. It seems like a high school dorm now. Urghhhhh! >:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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