Guest Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Just now, StnCld316 said: Whatever is going to happen and impact the World is going to be long after my time and everyone else's time that's alive in the World today. I'll be asleep in my grave long before it ever happens. In my personal opinion of it the Al Gore's and the David Suzuki's have most of the World Brainwashed. Anyone knows you play with Mother Nature you're going to get burned. So you mean what will happen to the future generations is completely their own problem and does not concern you at all. Do you have children and grandchildren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StnCld316 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 33 minutes ago, kalevipoeg said: So you mean what will happen to the future generations is completely their own problem and does not concern you at all. Do you have children and grandchildren? I've gotten through my life on my own two feet and future generations will stand on theirs as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 3 hours ago, StnCld316 said: I've gotten through my life on my own two feet and future generations will stand on theirs as well. You did not answer if there are next generations in your family, but if there are, I guess you have told them that you do not participate in their future in any way. I have a totally different approach, but we both can naturally stick to our own opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy T. Squirrel Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Sorry kids, but I'm primarily a History buff. Sounds to me as if you can gain absolution by buying indulgences from the Neo-Papacy. I'm still trying to survive the massive global freezing that will destroy us in the 1970's. Same people involved. One Apocalypse at a time, please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StnCld316 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 16 minutes ago, kalevipoeg said: You did not answer if there are next generations in your family, but if there are, I guess you have told them that you do not participate in their future in any way. I have a totally different approach, but we both can naturally stick to our own opinions. Everyone has their own different views of the situation. This is the type of topic where a debate goes nowhere. We'll leave it at that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy T. Squirrel Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Maybe so, StnCld, but instead of forking over our money to opportunists, war-lords, and Marxist dictators, I think the best solution is for humans to plant more pecan and almond trees. They're delicious. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daerjohn2015 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 It is good for Europe to get Trump out of the climate agreement so we must do our best to not depend on anyoneTrump also has children and later grandchildren how will he explain that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy T. Squirrel Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Hell is breaking loose in Western Europe. Again. Tune to news or even YouTube for the latest damn developments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy T. Squirrel Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Back on topic: Yes, America is alone: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euromike69 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 57 minutes ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said: Hell is breaking loose in Western Europe. Again. Tune to news or even YouTube for the latest damn developments. If anyone cares to watch it live on CNN http://www.zahitvstation.com/watch-cnn-usa-live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBsq69 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 The whole climate change thing and the US just makes Europe look at the US think "Haven't you grown up yet?". Mind you people voted for Brexit for the same reason to recreate the industrial world as it existed up to 1980/1990s. They forgot that world was shit a lot of the time like a couple of major recessions and 2 world wars. Also reinforces the theory that Amercans are just ill educated. I mean 50% don't believe in evolution. That would be OK in a third world country but it's pretty much a disgrace in a Western democracy so I guess not believing in a human contribution to climate change is not a surprise. However I don't blame the American people for that but their lying politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww_watcher Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 18 hours ago, BBsq69 said: The whole climate change thing and the US just makes Europe look at the US think "Haven't you grown up yet?". Mind you people voted for Brexit for the same reason to recreate the industrial world as it existed up to 1980/1990s. They forgot that world was shit a lot of the time like a couple of major recessions and 2 world wars. Also reinforces the theory that Amercans are just ill educated. I mean 50% don't believe in evolution. That would be OK in a third world country but it's pretty much a disgrace in a Western democracy so I guess not believing in a human contribution to climate change is not a surprise. However I don't blame the American people for that but their lying politicians. I don't know where you heard or read that 50% of Americans don't believe in evolution, but that would be pretty inaccurate. I am pretty sure that fewer than 50% of the bible-thumpers actually choose creationism over evolution and those who do choose creationism are mostly on the fringe, like the "Flat Earthers" ( I know a few and they are fun to abuse...I mean tease). The multi-sourced evidence favoring evolution is just too overwhelming where creationism has only one source. The Climate Change statement, I assume, came from President Trump's exit from the Paris Accords. In this case you are falling for the same lack of knowledge ( I don't want to use the word ignorant because I don't believe you are ignorant though there are some who enforce their ignorance to their own discredit) as the others, who are complaining about it. Among all the nations who joined the treaty, the US was one of more than 50 nations who haven't ratified the treaty and therefore aren't bound to the rules. Many were Europe's leading nations. The list is public record but it seems the loudest complainers haven't read it or ignored most of it though it really makes a difference in the "why" of things. In the US, ratification would have to be an act of Congress but Congress never voted on it for several reasons (mostly because of the lack of a clear money trail and, sorry but, the Republicans weren't in this decision alone nor were they the majority) but President Obama was never one to let that stop him and started paying into it anyway. We were among the VERY few who actually did pay and we were the largest contributor by far though we were signers but not members (unratified by Congress). That money never went where it should have AND the Treaty never enforced the rules; not to mention that the largest offenders weren't members nor signers at all. Trump "pulled" out because the treaty was a big, useless, money pit. I personally believe our Governments should stay out if it and let the private sector figure it out. Most folks are unaware of the concept of geological time and history. So, when a climate change pundit throws stats on the screen and uses them to explain the seriousness of our environmental plight, the average American Joe has no way to temper, or sometimes debunk, the information they are receiving, because they are unaware of the limitations or contributing influences of those "facts". Most aren't even aware of the mini ice age, for instance, back about 200-300 years ago that lasted a couple of years and created terrible famines in Europe. They have no knowledge of the number of times the Earth has gone through hot and cold times even before humans roamed the Earth; not to mention the natural and unnatural disasters that have caused mass extinction events. So, in the short (very short geologically speaking) time humans have even been able to influence the weather, nature has done what it is going to do regardless of us. This isn't to say that we shouldn't be wise in our use of our resources, we should, but we can't be using human-induced climate change as a cudgel to get everyone to fall into line, because presently our contribution is minuscule compared to the effects of the last three volcanoes that have erupted, over the last 4 decades, or the desertification of Saharan Africa (which also influences the hurricanes here in the US) and much of the middle east (think of where Eden is thought to have been). If I had to recommend one documentary that could help put our climate change into perspective it would be "Orbit: Earth's Extraordinary Journey" it can be seen on Netflix et al. It doesn't try to debunk human-induced climate change, but it will help anchor why certain things are taking place that would influence what you think about how we contribute to "global warming" and such. Now, about our lying politicians. The only ones who are most often fooled by said politicians are the ones who refuse to look things up and read them and think critically about what they have learned. The US, as you pointed out, isn't the only nation suffering from this malady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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