The Athiest Delusion

[ipiratemedia]

27 minutes ago, SPYING 1 said:

LMAO! I thought it was over with, considering most of these views are painful to comprehend. The people here at CC, in my opinion, are generally good people, and they all mean well. I enjoy reading, most of their post and I don't like to argue, and I know, I am guilty of this. I just get disappointed, when someone cannot admit the truth, while others believe what they want you to believe, and that's what hurts the most folks. We all have our ways of hurting someone's feelings and pride, without conscious, but I won't go there, is not fair to CC all the individual.. Peace 

[BBsq69]

There are a spectrum of choices. There are 2 equally unprovable possibilities both of which lead to a supplementary question. There either was a conscious creation of the Universe or there wasn't. If the former, then how were the creator/s created and if the latter, did something eventually emerge from that creation with God like powers? It is almost but not quite the same question. But back to the original possibilities, depending on who you are you allocate X% to a belief in creation and (100-X)% belief to the alternative. That determines where you are on the spectrum. There is a correct answer but absolutely one that we can never know. With people who are 100% certain of either, you have to question their reasoning faculties. However it is perfectly reasonable to be 99.9% sure either way and that is way more than enough to have a sincere belief.

I would put myself somewhere in the top percentage of not believing in a creator because of the supplementary question to the first possibility. Since I was 4 I asked myself the question "Who created God?" and since then I have been comfortable in my atheism because if the universe being created out of nothing makes no sense then doesn't that supplementary question lead to the same problem? Obviously others if they think about it they come to different conclusions.

In that context all other question about the miracle of life or human goodness used as evidence for a supreme being are no arguments at all except if one considers the second possibility's supplementary question which then does lead one to deal with more complex questions ... such as then is everybody the play things of some immortal being or is that "god" now in fact not around any more. These are extremely complex questions which you can either make quick decisions about or spend an eternity (not literally unless there is an afterlife) thinking about. For me: "No God, move on."
  

[BBsq69]

On 12/7/2017 at 3:15 AM, ipiratemedia said:

As a four-year-old, as you stated, "Who created God?" I would like to know, how a four-year-old would reach that conclusion without any influence, to make you believe that God, does not exist?

I had an IQ of 180. I was forming laws quadratic interpolation. I was a lot brighter than I am now.

[BBsq69]

On 12/7/2017 at 3:15 AM, ipiratemedia said:

"Now on kitchen cam with a laptop in front of her but her pussy very visible and her gate of heaven has almost been wide open at times.

LOL come on now?

[BBsq69]

As for the rest of your argument I already put it. First there was nothing then there was something and to not think the same argument belongs to God requires you to think God never had a beginning. That's a religious belief. You believe it, I don't, simple as.
 

[ipiratemedia]

8 hours ago, BBsq69 said:

I had an IQ of 180. I was forming laws quadratic interpolation. I was a lot brighter than I am now.

First, I do NOT believe in religion. It was created, by Satin himself, to confuse the world and to start WARS and divide us all! I have a personal relationship with God and the Trinity, a direct line. (not religion) That is how simple it is, but the Devil has everyone confused today. Why, because, Satan rules this world folks, whether you believe it or not. His attribute is Hate, Jealousy,  Confusion, Lust, Unforgiven, and Death, to name a few.

I also have an IQ of several hundred, but because I am an enormously humble person, I choose to act normal. I don't measure anyone's success in life because of their IQ BB, and I do get your point, inserting additional words in a complete post in such manner as to alter its intended meaning;  I am only sharing Infomation and FACTS! I can just do so much to explain simple things in complicated terms. Intelligent people, on the other hand, have a deep enough understanding of the subject to be able to put it into simple words, understandable to a broad audience. Could this be an example of why highly intelligent people often have difficulty interacting socially with ordinary people in person?

I would be a hypocrite to say, that I will end up in Heaven because at the moment, I'm not. I am what people call a Back-Slider, and if I do not get right with God, I will be toss into the Lake of Fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but we ourselves are thrown out. I am aware of your intelligence, but our intelligence can also confuse and blind us all.  Peace to you BB. Joey  

An atheist tells a young girl that there's no God, what she says shuts him up! No point attended, I only see Humor in this.  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HYPvN47O_GF9s0GO4ZOngI8Pn8qVFCL2/view?usp=sharing

8 hours ago, BBsq69 said:

I had an IQ of 180. I was forming laws quadratic interpolation. I was a lot brighter than I am now.

[BBsq69]

5 hours ago, ipiratemedia said:

I also have an IQ of several hundred, but because I am an enormously humble person, I choose to act normal. I don't measure anyone's success in life because of their IQ BB, and I do get your point, inserting additional words in a complete post in such manner as to alter its intended meaning; 

You were directly asking me how it was that I could manage such reasoning when I was that young. That's because I happened to be that bright. It wasn't a boast but an explanation.  

On the social question:
Especially at that age, and I did have friends and even a couple of girlfriends, I was put in a situation where I already had a reading and mathematical level that was about double of the children I was interacting with. Consequently, unless a teacher is going to take special interest in you, the actual lessons are pointless and then you have to deal with them in your own way. For myself I spent time in the wendy house sometimes with a girl and did girls' homework. I continued throughout my primary school career to bunk off.

Of course there were special circumstances. Within days of arriving in school the psychologist declared me a child genius. I think kids were playing snakes and ladders and I was telling them it was a random game of chance with no skill whatsoever ... of course there is the skill of cheating but at the time that wasn't in my nature and I wasn't afraid to call someone out over it. Anyway the head called my parents in - they already knew of course - and promised I would be given challenging work. However she soon left and the new head was of the attitude that bright children didn't need any help. Even worse was an unfortunate coincidence that my teacher's sister lived opposite to us and the teacher had always been jealous of our neighbour's Cambridge attending son while her children had not achieved the same so she decided to take it out on me. When I eventually told my mother what had gone on, she told me she would have withdrawn me from the school immediately. It was not until I was 7 or 8 that I came across a teacher who understood, not my class teacher but she had me for a couple of lessons a week, but then my father got a job we had to move away. I then had a teacher who not only was interested solely in sport but seemed to take a delight in not picking me for the football team. I had many friends and was actually in the popular group, but unfortunately I had only a limited time to mix with them outside as I was practising to get through one of the toughest entrance examinations in the country so my parents would not let me go out and my parents also had personal reasons for that which I won't go into here.
Since then I have always been surrounded by some people of similar ability so those type of problems did not recur and besides which I think my intelligence has dropped a few notches although I did finish in the Top 100 in The Times Tournament of The Mind - I guess that's a boast although actually it is just a fact.
 

[ipiratemedia]

6 hours ago, BBsq69 said:

You were directly asking me how it was that I could manage such reasoning when I was that young. That's because I happened to be that bright. It wasn't a boast but an explanation.  

On the social question:
Especially at that age, and I did have friends and even a couple of girlfriends, you are put in a situation where I already had a reading and mathematical level that was about double of the children I was interacting with. Consequently, unless a teacher is going to take a particular interest in you, the actual lessons are pointless and then you have to deal with them in your way. For myself, I spent time in the wendy house sometimes with a girl and did girls' homework. I continued throughout my primary school career to bunk off.

Of course, there were exceptional circumstances. Within days of arriving at school, the psychologist declared me a child genius. I think kids were playing snakes and ladders and I was telling them it was a random game of chance with no skill whatsoever ... of course, there is the skill of cheating but at the time that wasn't in my nature and I wasn't afraid to call someone out over it. Anyway, the head called my parents in - they already knew of course - and promised I would be given challenging work. However, she soon left, and the new head was of the attitude that bright children didn't need any help. Even worse was an unfortunate coincidence that my teacher's sister lived opposite to us and the teacher had always been jealous of our neighbor's Cambridge attending son when her children had not achieved the same, so she decided to take it out on me. When I eventually told my mother what had gone on, she said me she would have withdrawn me from the school immediately. It was not until I was 7 or 8 that I came across a teacher who understood, not my class teacher but she had me for a couple of lessons a week, but then my father got a job we had to move away. I then had a teacher who not only was interested solely in sport but seemed to take delight in not picking me for the football team. I had many friends, and I was in my favorite group, but unfortunately I had only a limited time to mix with them outside as I was practising to get through one of the most stringent entrance examinations in the country so my parents would not let me go out and my parents also had personal reasons for that which I won't go into here.
Since then I have always been surrounded by some people of similar ability, so those type of problems did not recur and besides which I think my intelligence has dropped a few notches although I did finish in the Top 100 in The Times Tournament of The Mind - I guess that's a boast although actually, it is just a fact.
 

 

Child Genius! No need to be prideful BB. I truly understand what you're feeling, and I am sorry if You’re ego is bruised.(Sincerely) I do appreciate you taking the time to Quote me. I value your opinions as much as I do with others here. Let's leave it at that. Good day and Peace to you. Joey 

[BBsq69]

20 minutes ago, ipiratemedia said:

Child Genius! No need to be prideful BB.

That's what I was called - it is a common term. I did not invent the term. It was not me who called myself such. How are you bruising my ego? You are suggesting I have an ego to bruise but as I said I had to mention it because your suggestion was that I must have been influenced to have come to such a pattern of thought when it was merely logical in my mind. As for pride being a sin - and like I said I am just stating facts - THAT IS RELIGION so a pretty pointless accusation to level at an atheist.

Let us be clear I am not saying for one second that a partiality to atheism is a logical consequence of intelligence. I was explaining about my atheism and how I came to it which is necessarily personal. The philosophical arguments are of course more general.

I'd be lying if I hadn't said to people "Let's leave it at that" but you can't make a criticism of someone and then appeal for that person not to respond because if they do not it can be inferred from that that they partially accept the criticism.
 

[eagleb1]

On 12/6/2017 at 10:15 PM, ipiratemedia said:

[ ...]As a four-year-old, as you stated, "Who created God?" I would like to know, how a four-year-old would reach that conclusion without any influence, to make you believe that God, does not exist? [ ...]

I was a latecomer to my atheist beliefs   --- I was ten.  The belief in one of the hundreds of creation myths is mostly an accident of what your parents believe.  It's hard to accept but you were brain-washed in the classical sense to accept the Judeo-Christian-Muslim myth formulated long ago by men who were ignorant of simple facts that we take for granted now.

[ipiratemedia]

2 hours ago, eagleb1 said:

I was a latecomer to my atheist beliefs   --- I was ten.  The belief in one of the hundreds of creation myths is mostly an accident of what your parents believe.  It's hard to accept but you were brain-washed in the classical sense to accept the Judeo-Christian-Muslim myth formulated long ago by men who were ignorant of simple facts that we take for granted now.

Good day! Religion is a man's way of worshipping God Eagle. But God has his way of expressing himself; he shows us who he is. But you have a Belief; I have an understanding. You see, understanding can change one's beliefs, it may take a few days, it may take a few years. The day people stop THINKING with their minds, it will be the day, people will all understand. No one has ever told me I was brainwashed. If anyone does, I would gladly say to them yes, I am. 

My brain has been washed, of the corruption that used to dominate it when I lived life the worlds' way. I no longer mentally undress every woman I see or try to add them to my list of conquests. I no longer watch porn movies. A washed brain helps to respect others that I didn't appreciate before. It helps to distinguish what is essential to life and what isn't. I'm not one of those you speak of, that man made up God and any of that other nonsense that you have been so impressed with. With a washed mind, it is easier to think for oneself and refill that soul with decency and not condemnation nor accusations of others. Peace Joey 

[eagleb1]

1 hour ago, ipiratemedia said:

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My brain has been washed, of the corruption that used to dominate it when I lived life the worlds' way. I no longer mentally undress every woman I see or try to add them to my list of conquests. I no longer watch porn movies. 

[ ... ]

More than feeling sad, I fear for your mental health.

Goodbye.