The Climate Change Thread

[happyone]

1 hour ago, Thestarider said:

https://thetruthbehind.tv/global-warming/

Test your knowledge ?

https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/start.html

 

I got 9 out of 10--missed water vapor question

[Thestarider]

1 minute ago, happyone said:

I got 9 out of 10--missed water vapor question

So did I Happy

[happyone]

Just now, Thestarider said:

So did I Happy

And that is exactly why we do not fall for the Global Warming scare tactics 

[itsme]

Does polluting the air, water, and ground sound like a good idea to you? Does destroying the ecosystem and environment sound like a good idea to you? If you answered yes to either of those questions then there is helping you. If you answered no to those questions then why the hell would you be against environmental protection and taking steps to reduce man made climate change?

[Thestarider]

Hey itsme can you answer yes or no to this question ? Should the Environmental Protection Agency officers carry guns for enforcement ?

[Foamy T. Squirrel]

2 hours ago, itsme said:

Does polluting the air, water, and ground sound like a good idea to you? Does destroying the ecosystem and environment sound like a good idea to you? If you answered yes to either of those questions then there is helping you. If you answered no to those questions then why the hell would you be against environmental protection and taking steps to reduce man made climate change?

These are not good choices, so, you betcha I don't support them. Destroying technological economies that produce capabilities to clean up our act doesn't sound like a solution, either. If we wish to all become cave people again, all we have to do is kill off 90% of the human population so we survivors can go back to hunting and gathering, or  just get enslaved to a tyrant who doesn't feed us much and likes us to be freezing in the winter and having heat-stroke in the summer.

Luddites do not have the answer.

[maxfactor]

2 hours ago, itsme said:

Does polluting the air, water, and ground sound like a good idea to you? Does destroying the ecosystem and environment sound like a good idea to you? If you answered yes to either of those questions then there is helping you. If you answered no to those questions then why the hell would you be against environmental protection and taking steps to reduce man made climate change?

I would argue that none of that sounds like a good idea to anyone with half a brain...HOWEVER if you think that the current climate change activism, including globalism, anti-capitalism, the advocacy of socialism and the general effort to redistribute wealth has anything to do with protecting the planet, you are just gullible.

The left has embraced climate change as a way to drive socialism, control people and thinking and achieve what the left has tried to do over and over and failed.  This is just their latest version.

[itsme]

4 hours ago, Thestarider said:

Hey itsme can you answer yes or no to this question ? Should the Environmental Protection Agency officers carry guns for enforcement ?

I suppose it depends on the circumstance but generally I would say no. What does that have to do with the price of tea in china? 

[itsme]

2 hours ago, maxfactor said:

I would argue that none of that sounds like a good idea to anyone with half a brain...HOWEVER if you think that the current climate change activism, including globalism, anti-capitalism, the advocacy of socialism and the general effort to redistribute wealth has anything to do with protecting the planet, you are just gullible.

The left has embraced climate change as a way to drive socialism, control people and thinking and achieve what the left has tried to do over and over and failed.  This is just their latest version.

That's a strawman argument. The left puts the environment over profits, that doesn't mean that they are pro-socialism or anti-capitalism. You could make the same generalizations about issues that the right supports protectionism and tariffs being an example of anti-capitalism, social security and medicare  (which have a lot of support on the right) being an example of socialism. Protecting the environment shouldn't be a partisan issue. It seems like many on the right are against environmental protection simply because they view it as a "leftist" issue, never mind the fact that we share the same planet. I find the "I'd rather drink poisoned water than support the  "leftist" agenda" mentality rather alarming. 

[maxfactor]

10 hours ago, itsme said:

That's a strawman argument. The left puts the environment over profits, that doesn't mean that they are pro-socialism or anti-capitalism. You could make the same generalizations about issues that the right supports protectionism and tariffs being an example of anti-capitalism, social security and medicare  (which have a lot of support on the right) being an example of socialism. Protecting the environment shouldn't be a partisan issue. It seems like many on the right are against environmental protection simply because they view it as a "leftist" issue, never mind the fact that we share the same planet. I find the "I'd rather drink poisoned water than support the  "leftist" agenda" mentality rather alarming. 

Like I said, I am not against protecting the environment, but if you think that the current method of wealth distribution through carbon taxation in Europe and Canada to say nothing of the money grab by the UN, is anything other than wealth redistribution, then you either are what I said or completely disingenuous.

[Thestarider]

12 hours ago, itsme said:

I suppose it depends on the circumstance but generally I would say no. What does that have to do with the price of tea in china? 

They are armed, why if their job is to protect the environment would they need to be armed ? 

Here is my true story, In 2008 while bringing a new bio mass electric plant online, I had a visit from one of these environment inspectors. I live in SW Kansas, and I was working the Oklahoma Panhandle building this small biomass electric plant which burns residual crops and landfill waste and produces 25 MW of electric power. The location was about 2 miles from a small University that is known for it's championship rodeo team.

I am sure you familiar with the dirty 30's and the blowing dust. Well when a thunderstorm blows up out here in God's country the dust still blows and you see the storm coming from miles. We had several days of these evening thunderstorms blow up one week in the summer of 2008, and this was while we were bringing this new cutting edge power plant online. The plants burns like I said residual crops and landfill waste, thus making 900psi steam for a turbine generator. 

A couple days after the storms a unmarked car pulls onto the location and I was called to the guard shack, I thought what the hell an unmarked government car. A guy gets out wearing a gun and flashing a badge, at this point I assumed it was cop or OSBI or something of that nature. The guy meets me at the gate and demands entrance into the facility, stating he was with US environmental service. I brought him into my office and he said that he was there to investigate the exposure incident of this time period. I asked exactly what incident he was referring to, and he said the one where produced Acidic rain that cover the University with contamination.

I at this point was very confused, as well as at a loss for words. I sad to him sir, well to the best of knowledge we have had no exposure incident. He then produced several pictures of vehicles and windows of the university that had large brown dots all over them. I looked at them, then looked out the window at one of then large water trucks that we were using to finish the grading before pouring the last of the concrete, it too had these large brown dots all over it. 

 I began to laugh, the investigator took offense to my laughter and told me point blank that he would shut this project down which he stated a few times was well within his authority, if he didn't get some answers as to why this incident happened. I took him out to the truck and we wiped a few of the spots on a white cloth. He looked and felt and even sniffed the white cloth, and then said what is this stuff all over this vehicle?

I said MUD BALLS !!! this pissed him off and he got very angry with me. He stated that our SCR system was not working, could have been working to cause these to get all over everything. and that we could no longer continue to operate the facility until we corrected the issues and reapplied to EPA for an emissions control permit. 

I said to him very calmly this was not from our plant but from the good lord and skies above. He again got all bent out of shape and I told him to have it analyzed, that he had my permission to take swabs or any other kind sampling he wanted to do to find out what the spots were made of. I again began to laugh as I have seen it rain mudballs many times in my life on the great plains. Of course nothing came out of it was just dirt and water.

We were turned in by a liberal professor at the university from back east who never seen the phenomenon of raining mud balls. I guess this inspector also had never seen or heard of such a thing.

Why do environmental agents of EPA need to carry guns, because they are fucking idiots that is why.

I am laughing again as I write this knowing it takes all kinds to make the world go around.

Just one of many real life cases of Political Science vs. Climate Science.

[Foamy T. Squirrel]

I like profits. It represents a surplus that can be invested to hire more people or to develop better technology that increases productivity. In this way money is redistributed based on merit. It works so well that there is money left over to help the infirm and needy. This is called charity. The only  way you can obtain profits in free-enterprise capitalism is through extreme thrift and efficiency.  That means zero waste. Wasteful people and corporations go out of business because they can't compete.

Governments aren't free-enterprise capitalist. They are a state-capitalist organization that can use force to do as they please. They do not have to produce anything, and they don't need profits. Through the miracle of governmental coercive force, they can derive their sustenance by taking it from their people who produce the surplus. They can also take it from other governments -- we call this "war."

War is extremely wasteful, and really bad for the environment and bad for business. War industries are the exception, but they are sustained by tax-payer money and are in league with the government, whether they are Bomb Inc., or People's Factory #11. Hence, these also are State Capitalist organizations.

The US still has a bit of Free-Enterprise Capitalism. Last year economic productivity increased substantially, while US emissions decreased. This flies in the face of those who support the toothless and useless Paris and Kyoto environmental accords.