Martina & Alberto - 2022 #15

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25 minutes ago, philo said:

I'm glad to see so many willing to document their positions on who is not having sex off camera. Everyone should keep a journal of who is saying what. Just to give a few examples from the past, where some were so certain about their views, that they started campaigns to discredit the people who did not agree: 1)Carla, who was said to be a loyal wife in her first apartment was later seen being fingered by a male guest at her birthday party while standing at the bedroom window; 2)Susan, who was said to be the loyal partner of Hector, was later seen being felt up on camera by Pablow, and later seen stroking his dick through his jeans; 3)Vanessa, who was said to be a flirt, but loyal to Thomas, was later fucked on her sofa by her tattoo boyfriend; 4)Maya who was said to be a loyal partner, later brought her off camera boyfriend on camera, whom I called Jody, and fucked him every day after booting her current partner. 5) Dasha was absolved of doing anything on the patio with Crew Cut, even when those of us with amped up audio equipment could hear them, later forgot to sip his pants up and re-buckle his belt when they came back. 6) Dasha, again, was also not doing anything with Baldy, until he was shown putting his hand up her pussy during their visit at Masha's. I could go on .... What is telling about these historic events, is that in every case people like the current cast of experts, all claimed that the women were not fucking anyone except their partners. The reason they offer as evidence is that they have not seen it on camera. Smart people they are. After being exposed as liars when each of the women above, eventually brought their outside dick on camera, some of the experts did the right thing and came back on line under new names. Others just acted like they were the airs of the right to have alternative facts.    They usually don't have the capacity to admit how wrong they were. I smiling at my track record right now. Name calling has not stopped me so far so keep it up. It amuses me. LOL

We all believe what we see. The problem is that each of us interpret what we see in different ways. And what happens off camera none of us see.

[JenniferMom]

2 hours ago, Deepdave said:

I don't know why there is such a fuss about Martina sitting in "her" comfortable position showing her panties to everyone in the world including Dani and everyone on the forum.  Martina is Martina.  She isn't shy about her body and as we know she has even taken a shower while her brother was watching.  No big deal for her.  This is not sexual.  It is not meant to get him excited.  She is a nudist/exhibitionist and we all enjoy watching her walk around the apartment wearing as little as she wants.  If her friends do not watch RLC I would be surprised. So there would be nothing that they had not already seen.

Yet another rare occurrence when we agree my friend!   🙂   I would add though that it would not surprise me if she is doing some teasing, maybe not of Big Guy or Louis but maybe of us subscribers!   It's funny to see how the age demographics play out in terms of social norms.  The older folks here are clear that by flashing her camel toe she is signalling she is horny and wants sex.  I don't think that is true these days.  But I do believe the younger generation is smart enough to know when to be provocative and when to be appropriate.  Martina would not do this in class or on the job I don't think.  And I do think a part of her knows she is doing it and knows she is turning the guys on.  It isn't just innocent nudism IMHO.

2 hours ago, Deepdave said:

Martina has many good friends similar to Dani.  I do not believe she has sex with any of them.  She has sex with Alberto.  I believe that Martina needs to be in love to have sex.  Not a friendship love but love with her heart  She is in love with Alberto (for at least 10 years) and was in love with Nelly (not so much any more).

This is where you start to come off the rails but technically you are accurate.  As I once said, I just get frustrated with how firm you are in your convictions.  This is not a criticism as being firm in one's convictions is also a strength of character.   We absolutely do not know what Martina does off cam.  If you have evidence that she does not fuck off cam, you should share it.  If I was forced to place a bet, I would probably bet with you against her having sex off cam.  But we simply do not know.  And the circumstantial evidence that you are wrong is compelling (parking lot, vacations with Nelly, vacation with Luis, all nighters, talk about threesomes, etc. etc.).   My point in raising this is that your speculation that she does not have sex off-cam with someone other than Alberto is nothing more than a speculation like we hear from Yelt or Girlsfun.   Yet their speculations are juicy and saucy and get trashed here while your speculation being somewhat boring gets accepted as being true.  Again this is not a criticism but we should all keep this in mind when we watch this couple.

[philo]

Some of us are really making this a difficult issue. I, however, think it is fairly simple. It all begins with ones underlying premise. I, for.example, presume that people who come to work for an internet platform that features sexual exhibition. I, also, presume that for those who take their assignment as work, that they also have a private life and that if they have sex at work, then they also have sex when off the clock. If you begin with just those basic presumptions, they you are either going to be right most of the time or wrong most of the time. I have the slight advantage of having experience and training that allows me to be more observant of behavioral patterns than some, which makes my guesses more likely. It's as simple as that. In response to those who want to make it about something else, then you need to wrap your head and put a jewel in your forehead and you will still be wrong.  This is not fortune telling. If some of you engaged in the guessing have information because you are somehow connected to the company and have not disclosed, then shame on you.   

[Deepdave]

14 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

Yet another rare occurrence when we agree my friend!   🙂   I would add though that it would not surprise me if she is doing some teasing, maybe not of Big Guy or Louis but maybe of us subscribers!   It's funny to see how the age demographics play out in terms of social norms.  The older folks here are clear that by flashing her camel toe she is signalling she is horny and wants sex.  I don't think that is true these days.  But I do believe the younger generation is smart enough to know when to be provocative and when to be appropriate.  Martina would not do this in class or on the job I don't think.  And I do think a part of her knows she is doing it and knows she is turning the guys on.  It isn't just innocent nudism IMHO.

This is where you start to come off the rails but technically you are accurate.  As I once said, I just get frustrated with how firm you are in your convictions.  This is not a criticism as being firm in one's convictions is also a strength of character.   We absolutely do not know what Martina does off cam.  If you have evidence that she does not fuck off cam, you should share it.  If I was forced to place a bet, I would probably bet with you against her having sex off cam.  But we simply do not know.  And the circumstantial evidence that you are wrong is compelling (parking lot, vacations with Nelly, vacation with Luis, all nighters, talk about threesomes, etc. etc.).   My point in raising this is that your speculation that she does not have sex off-cam with someone other than Alberto is nothing more than a speculation like we hear from Yelt or Girlsfun.   Yet their speculations are juicy and saucy and get trashed here while your speculation being somewhat boring gets accepted as being true.  Again this is not a criticism but we should all keep this in mind when we watch this couple.

I want to clarify my comment.  Martina has had sex off cam with Nelly.  The parking lot and her vacations with Nelly have been verified by Martina on camera with her conversations with Alberto.  She did not discuss having sex with Luis, therefore I do not thnk she fucked him plus he is very gay (he has brought gay boyfriends over to the apartment).  She has talked about threesomes with Alberto but I do not believe they has consumated the deal,  The all nighters are fun with friends.  In Barcelona the parties start at midnight and that's the way it works. They dine, drink and dance after midnight.  Everyone loves to speculate but that is all that it is, speculation not truths.   

[Deepdave]

58 minutes ago, philo said:

Some of us are really making this a difficult issue. I, however, think it is fairly simple. It all begins with ones underlying premise. I, for.example, presume that people who come to work for an internet platform that features sexual exhibition. I, also, presume that for those who take their assignment as work, that they also have a private life and that if they have sex at work, then they also have sex when off the clock. If you begin with just those basic presumptions, they you are either going to be right most of the time or wrong most of the time. I have the slight advantage of having experience and training that allows me to be more observant of behavioral patterns than some, which makes my guesses more likely. It's as simple as that. In response to those who want to make it about something else, then you need to wrap your head and put a jewel in your forehead and you will still be wrong.  This is not fortune telling. If some of you engaged in the guessing have information because you are somehow connected to the company and have not disclosed, then shame on you.   

Are you ever wrong?  So far you have bragged that you have been right because of your superior knowledge and training.  What bullshit.  Sorry, but in hindsight everybody is right.

Martina and Alberto are like no other RLC performers.  They seem to be more real life than any of the other participants but they do have extended rules which they both understand and accept.  They are still commited to each other by being honest and truthful.  They wil not be on RLC much longer because they will have achieved their goals to break free of this stage in their life.  

You should stay away from discrediting them.  They are good people and are trying to lead good lives,  Good luck Martina and Alberto. 

[philo]

53 minutes ago, Deepdave said:

Are you ever wrong?  So far you have bragged that you have been right because of your superior knowledge and training.  What bullshit.  Sorry, but in hindsight everybody is right.

Martina and Alberto are like no other RLC performers.  They seem to be more real life than any of the other participants but they do have extended rules which they both understand and accept.  They are still commited to each other by being honest and truthful.  They wil not be on RLC much longer because they will have achieved their goals to break free of this stage in their life.  

You should stay away from discrediting them.  They are good people and are trying to lead good lives,  Good luck Martina and Alberto. 

How is it that you claim to know more about them than any one else? You first make claims about what I said that you cannot support. Then you claim that "everybody is right"? How smart is that comment? Then you claim you know about their rules? Then you claim "They wil not be on RLC much longer".... The you make more claims about their character that suggest you may know them personally. I personally think your comments are a bunch of bullshit and you are just trying to gain attention for yourself with your word salad. But I'll leave it to others to decided for themselves.    

[Deepdave]

17 minutes ago, philo said:

How is it that you claim to know more about them than any one else? You first make claims about what I said that you cannot support. Then you claim that "everybody is right"? How smart is that comment? Then you claim you know about their rules? Then you claim "They wil not be on RLC much longer".... The you make more claims about their character that suggest you may know them personally. I personally think your comments are a bunch of bullshit and you are just trying to gain attention for yourself with your word salad. But I'll leave it to others to decided for themselves.    

Thank you for allowing others to decide.

[JenniferMom]

2 hours ago, philo said:

I, for.example, presume that people who come to work for an internet platform that features sexual exhibition. I, also, presume that for those who take their assignment as work, that they also have a private life and that if they have sex at work, then they also have sex when off the clock.

This is a very interesting thought.  I recall a few interviews of porn stars on a now-defunct Sirius/XM adult radio channel, and it seems like when people interview porn stars, they always ask about what it's like to have sex that is off-cam or "not considered work".   I'm not sure how this idea fits into the discussion hear, but it's an interesting observation to me.

[JenniferMom]

1 hour ago, Deepdave said:

You should stay away from discrediting them.  They are good people and are trying to lead good lives,  Good luck Martina and Alberto. 

Of course there are exceptions, but I don't think anyone here discredits them at all.  Yes we might be a bit harsh toward Alberto but I don't know of anyone who thinks the love and affection they have for each other is not real and strong.  I too wish them the best of luck.    But all the agreement and consensus we can achieve here would apply equally as well to them being a very open-minded committed couple OR being good friends with a FWB sexual arrangement.  Both scenarios explain all the behavior.  Yet you seem to think an FWB arrangement is an affront to them in some way.  I don't think ... if they are truly FWB ... they feel at all like this is a negative or embarrassing or somehow not acceptable behavior.   In this case, you seem to think if it was an FWB this would be some sort of discredit to them.  It is not (to me).

[Deepdave]

9 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

Of course there are exceptions, but I don't think anyone here discredits them at all.  Yes we might be a bit harsh toward Alberto but I don't know of anyone who thinks the love and affection they have for each other is not real and strong.  I too wish them the best of luck.    But all the agreement and consensus we can achieve here would apply equally as well to them being a very open-minded committed couple OR being good friends with a FWB sexual arrangement.  Both scenarios explain all the behavior.  Yet you seem to think an FWB arrangement is an affront to them in some way.  I don't think ... if they are truly FWB ... they feel at all like this is a negative or embarrassing or somehow not acceptable behavior.   In this case, you seem to think if it was an FWB this would be some sort of discredit to them.  It is not (to me).

I consider FWB as a more casual relationship.  Not living together and not sharing the same bed every night. Fucking on a less frequent basis.  Not sharing all of the expenses of an apartment together including cleaning and cooking.  Not spending all of their spare time together. Not knowing each others family and friends well.  Not loving their dog together (even though it is Martina's dog).  Not crying when Blackie died.  These are things that I consider make the difference between FWB or not.  There is no doubt that they also have many unwritten rules which give each other huge amounts of leeway but it works.  I think Martina considers Alberto her boyfriend and vice versa and that's my final point.     

[girlsfun2]

just a simple question to return to reality: where are they ?

[Deepdave]

32 minutes ago, girlsfun2 said:

just a simple question to return to reality: where are they ?

Alberto is in bed (needs to wake up at 5:30AM) and Martina went to meet a girlfriend.