Thestarider Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Food for thought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagleb1 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Thestarider said: Food for thought I urge you to read two books by Richard Dawkins ---- "The God Delusion" and "The Blind Watchmaker." Yes, it's hard to imagine that everything we are is due to evolution but it's also hard to imagine the vastness of the universe and time since the first single cell life somehow came into being. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miscvoyeur Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 So the logic behind this argument is because a book can't make itself, therefore a higher power created all of existence? This is supposed to be food for thought? Show me the evidence that someone created existence. Otherwise this is nothing but speculative trash as all arguments in favor for religion tend to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy3 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I'm actually a God believer! 2 reasons. 1) I believe the universe really exists and had to be created by an outside force. In other words we didn't pop out of nothing. If we were created there must be a creator. 2) If there is a creator, it must be good and care about its creation otherwise, there would be no point to anything. In other words nothing would matter at all, we would just be folly entertainment to an evil doer. I won’t believe that otherwise I’d just do risky things until I died. So I think there is a God and I think it is good and it cares about us and how it turns out. The trick after that is trying to figure out what God wants of us. I say us, because everything besides us humans has no concept of the future and only operate on instinct. Ok, then I surmise that there are 2 kinds of people in the world, the decent and the indecent. I think God wants us to do our best to be decent people. I mean indecent people are not going to support the creation, they would work to dismantle or destroy the creation of at the very least be indifferent. Either way, useless and pointless and destructive to the creation. I believe God expects us to create utopia on earth. So, there you have it, the reason I believe in God. It's rather basic, but it does require a few leaps of faith. Since I need to believe that all of this matters, I'm a God believer. I will say this though I don’t believe in God because I have some hope of eternal life. If it happens that’s fine, if it doesn’t happen that’s fine with me too. Feel free to disagree or think I'm out of my mind if you like. ❤️ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thestarider Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 On 10/24/2017 at 10:34 PM, miscvoyeur said: So the logic behind this argument is because a book can't make itself, therefore a higher power created all of existence? This is supposed to be food for thought? Show me the evidence that someone created existence. Otherwise this is nothing but speculative trash as all arguments in favor for religion tend to be. I give you your side and your belief, if you can scientifically explain one small thing to me, that I can't seem to understand, nor can the science community. What starts the heart beating in a fetus ? What makes that little organ pump it's very first beat ? a lot of speculation involved here, just no scientific facts, as no one seems to have been able to figure it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagleb1 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 10 hours ago, Thestarider said: I give you your side and your belief, if you can scientifically explain one small thing to me, that I can't seem to understand, nor can the science community. What starts the heart beating in a fetus ? What makes that little organ pump it's very first beat ? a lot of speculation involved here, just no scientific facts, as no one seems to have been able to figure it out. First of all, evolutionists have a pretty good idea --- read some books. Second, even if you don't understand it, why do you attribute it a mythical source created by primitive man who didn't understand things we find pretty clear now. Believe what you want but don't use it to affect my life or expect me to pay to support it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipiratemedia Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. Sin begins in the mind. You don’t even have to do anything or act out in any way to sin. It comes so easily and naturally to us that we don’t even realize that it is happening most of the time. We tend to let our minds wonder about, thinking about whatever it wishes. It tends to be a safe place for our favorite sin, we hide it away in the inner most parts of our mind where no one can find it and no one knows about it. It’s the perfect hiding spot for the porn magazines and movies or memories of past sexual partners. Reliving and re-experiencing the past, pondering and meditating till your heart’s content, all the while everyone else remains oblivious to your sexual fantasies playing out in your mind while you work, eat, watch tv, talk to your friends or even while having sex with your own partner. The mind is a powerful thing, it is a wonderful tool but it can be a dangerous snare. God’s standard is so high for his law that no one can keep them, this statement alone is so heavy in my own heart that I am ashamed at just how often I offend God with my thoughts. It is no wonder it is written, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." War, Religion, Science is Evil's way to confuse all who believes with their minds. The Heart is all God sees... Peace! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPYING 1 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 On 10/24/2017 at 11:35 PM, Amy3 said: I'm actually a God believer! 2 reasons. 1) I believe the universe really exists and had to be created by an outside force. In other words we didn't pop out of nothing. If we were created there must be a creator. 2) If there is a creator, it must be good and care about its creation otherwise, there would be no point to anything. In other words nothing would matter at all, we would just be folly entertainment to an evil doer. I won’t believe that otherwise I’d just do risky things until I died. So I think there is a God and I think it is good and it cares about us and how it turns out. The trick after that is trying to figure out what God wants of us. I say us, because everything besides us humans has no concept of the future and only operate on instinct. Ok, then I surmise that there are 2 kinds of people in the world, the decent and the indecent. I think God wants us to do our best to be decent people. I mean indecent people are not going to support the creation, they would work to dismantle or destroy the creation of at the very least be indifferent. Either way, useless and pointless and destructive to the creation. I believe God expects us to create utopia on earth. So, there you have it, the reason I believe in God. It's rather basic, but it does require a few leaps of faith. Since I need to believe that all of this matters, I'm a God believer. I will say this though I don’t believe in God because I have some hope of eternal life. If it happens that’s fine, if it doesn’t happen that’s fine with me too. Feel free to disagree or think I'm out of my mind if you like. ❤️ Amy i can't believe people are so naive & ignorant to think that we came from a one cell protozoan & evolved into monkeys ?? Why didn't all the monkeys become human ?? Why are we the only mammals to have a higher understanding of knowledge ?? why didn't the other animals that according to science also came from a one cell protozoan didn't develop like us !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagleb1 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, SPYING 1 said: Amy i can't believe people are so naive & ignorant to think that we came from a one cell protozoan & evolved into monkeys ?? Why didn't all the monkeys become human ?? Why are we the only mammals to have a higher understanding of knowledge ?? why didn't the other animals that according to science also came from a one cell protozoan didn't develop like us !!! We are ignorant? Read a freaking book if you want to know the answer to your naive questions. As I said before, I recommend books by Richard Dawkins. You should start with "The Blind Watchmaker" and "The God Delusion." If you have questions after that, we'll try to help you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipiratemedia Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Some people believe in creation simply because that’s what they’ve been taught at church. Many people believe in evolution simply because that’s what they’ve been taught at school.The more I studied science, the less credible evolution seemed. For example, I thought about the mathematical precision in nature and the uniqueness of humans, including our need to know who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. Evolution aims to explain all these things in terms associated with animals, but it has never been able to explain why humans are unique. To me, it takes more ‘faith’ to believe in evolution than to believe in a Creator. When people say that they don’t believe in God, sometimes what they really mean is that they don’t understand God. Rather than offer evidence to support their view, they raise questions such as, “If God exists, why does he allow suffering?” In effect, they turn an intellectual issue into an emotional one. Humans have a “spiritual need.” This includes a need to believe in God. So if someone says there is no God, that person, not you has the responsibility to explain how he or she could reach such a conclusion. Belief in God is entirely reasonable. It conforms to the proven fact that life cannot come into existence by itself. No evidence exists to support the idea that life could spontaneously come from nonliving matter. Like I said, stop thinking with your minds, for the mind is poison. When someone’s self-image or social acceptance is at stake, badgering them with facts isn’t likely to change their minds, that's why I believe in the Big Bang Theory. GOD said it, and BANG it happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oeemmm Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 22 minutes ago, ipiratemedia said: Some people believe in creation simply because that’s what they’ve been taught at church. Many people believe in evolution simply because that’s what they’ve been taught at school.The more I studied science, the less credible evolution seemed. For example, I thought about the mathematical precision in nature and the uniqueness of humans, including our need to know who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. Evolution aims to explain all these things in terms associated with animals, but it has never been able to explain why humans are unique. To me, it takes more ‘faith’ to believe in evolution than to believe in a Creator. When people say that they don’t believe in God, sometimes what they really mean is that they don’t understand God. Rather than offer evidence to support their view, they raise questions such as, “If God exists, why does he allow suffering?” In effect, they turn an intellectual issue into an emotional one. Humans have a “spiritual need.” This includes a need to believe in God. So if someone says there is no God, that person, not you has the responsibility to explain how he or she could reach such a conclusion. Belief in God is entirely reasonable. It conforms to the proven fact that life cannot come into existence by itself. No evidence exists to support the idea that life could spontaneously come from nonliving matter. Like I said, stop thinking with your minds, for the mind is poison. When someone’s self-image or social acceptance is at stake, badgering them with facts isn’t likely to change their minds, that's why I believe in the Big Bang Theory. GOD said it, and BANG it happened... The Human is only so unique, because it thinks it is unique. We assume we are the only ones with thoughts, who question our own lives or can speak. Thats because we are not able to fully understand other animals. Except we already know there are some animals who are labeled as intelligent and with a proven self awareness. Why shouldnt they also ask themselves who they are, where they came from and where they will go? In fact: we don't know. Yet we assume they won't, because they're animals and we are humans. And humans are special. Mostly because we killed all other species, that were evolutionary at a certain level, like the neanderthals or several other pre-human races. The spiritual need of humans comes from the fear, that everything in life is random. We came from nothing and we will go back to nothing. No sense, no afterlife. Not quite a happy future and the reason to fear death. Since our minds are not able to fully understand the universe, our planet and ourselves, religion in any form is some kind of excuse, some kind of easing. It makes up some reason (different based on religion) and some goal, wether its honor, rebirth, luck or some kind of heaven/hell thing. And it gives the believe, that there is something or someone able to fully understand and control the universe. And if we can't, this has to be some kind of god or gods. I by myself am strictly against every kind of religion, especially the religions that came out of the jewism, because they're not even made up for good reasons, but to control people in foreign regions. But i do believe, that there is some greater power, maybe some kind of god or many gods. A Power, that gives a shit about everything regarding individual species, but keeps an eye on the whole. Some power, that kills humans, because they'Äre a damn virus, destroying their own planet and erase other species for no reason. Because, if there is a god, like monoisms see it, why should he only be there for humans, caring only for them and support them? If there is a god, humans have to be its biggest enemy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StnCld316 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 The only way to find out is after we pass there is either a whole different World we Enter or it's just Complete Darkness Buried in a 4 Foot Hole in the Ground. No matter which way it goes, I'm getting Cremated. It will be my only chance to leave this World with a Smoking Hot Body. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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