happyone Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Ridgerunner said: I probably want Bernie to be the Democratic Party's presidential nominee more that you do. I just wish AOC were old enough to be his VP candidate. Then they would both have the national stage to themselves to reveal their ignorance and stupidity to all the American people. I prefer Maxine Waters as VP 😏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robwin Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said: And did you know that the CEO of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, is a liberal progressive Democrat who is also the owner of the Washington Post? The same Washington Post which attacks President Trump every day. Words are easy as long as their bank accounts don't suffer eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, happyone said: I prefer Maxine Waters as VP 😏 Probably be Stacey Abrams. But I could go for Maxine Waters, either one would give the Democrats a ticket of "Dumb and Dumber." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, maxfactor said: I can assure you that Bernie Saunders is everything that embodies a pure socialist. Nothing that any of those countries have implemented is in his agenda. Those countries are as capitalist as they come. His agenda is pure Cuba/Venezuela/Nicaragua You left out the Soviet Union which Bernie was a big fan of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfactor Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Ridgerunner said: You left out the Soviet Union which Bernie was a big fan of. yeah I was gonna include that, but it's gone now. Mostly because it was a complete and utter failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, maxfactor said: yeah I was gonna include that, but it's gone now. Mostly because it was a complete and utter failure. If Bernie were elected president he would probably help Putin in his plan to rebuild the Soviet Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Back to the Middle East--seems that a lot of lefties were very happy when after the general was killed, the news showed the Iranians yelling against the United States. Now that Iran has admitted to shooting down that plane with the innocent civilians--we now see rioting by the Iranian people in protest against their government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, happyone said: Back to the Middle East--seems that a lot of lefties were very happy when after the general was killed, the news showed the Iranians yelling against the United States. Now that Iran has admitted to shooting down that plane with the innocent civilians--we now see rioting by the Iranian people in protest against their government. Some of the protesters are even shouting," Death to Khamenei." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 hours ago, bluewinner said: He is not a phoney. He has been very genuine and consistent throughout his life, you can go back and check his speeches from 40-50 years ago and you will find out he has been talking about the same issues all his life. he is very committed in what he believes in. He is still one of the least wealthy member of the congress. and he has earned his money from his best selling book. He is not against being successful or rich ( he never said that). he only wants rich people ( including himself) and big corporation pay their fair share of taxes. Does Bernie write an extra check to the U.S. Treasury every year when he files his Federal income tax return because he feels guilty about being part of the under taxed 1%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewinner Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 16 hours ago, Ridgerunner said: He said he wanted to put the executives of fossil fuel companies in prison. How is he going to pay for Medicare for all, the Green New Deal, and payoff all student loan debt? Bernie may not call himself a Marxist, but his proposed policies prove he is. You say, "Bernie is "not"a socialist ", but then you say, "he defines himself as Democrat Socialist". So according to you Bernie calls himself a socialist, but he is not a socialist. Apparently you didn't learn much in your economics classes. And you are just repeating the bullshit you hear on CNN and MSNBC. where and when did he say he was going to put CEOs of fossil fuel companies in prison ? and what was the context ? can you provide some reference please ? and about medicare for all, the fact is USA spends twice per capita on healthcare in comparison to majority of industrial world and still does not cover every American. so what he is going to do is to transfer the money that's being paid to insurance companies to US treasury in form of new taxes, therefore there will no longer be any premium, deductible and co-payment, instead people will pay more in taxes, but most American including middle class would end up saving money as the amount they pay in new taxes will be significantly less than what they pay for premium, deductible and co-payment, and everyone would be covered. for tuition free college this is how he is going to pay for it : " Tax Wall Street Gambling to Cancel All Student Debt and Pay for College for All We can guarantee higher education as a right for all and cancel all student debt for an estimated $2.2 trillion. To pay for this, we will impose a tax of a fraction of a percent on Wall Street speculators who nearly destroyed the economy a decade ago. This Wall Street speculation tax will raise $2.4 trillion over the next ten years. It works by placing a 0.5 percent tax on stock trades – 50 cents on every $100 of stock – a 0.1 percent fee on bond trades, and a 0.005 percent fee on derivative trades. If Wall Street can be bailed out for several trillion dollars, 45 million Americans can and will be bailed out of the $1.6 trillion burden of student loan debt and we can provide free college for all. Some 40 countries throughout the world have imposed a similar tax, including Britain, South Korea, Hong Kong, Brazil, Germany, France, Switzerland and China." from : https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/ and the green new deal is very extensive you can read through his plan if you are interested:https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/green-new-deal/ ............... and there is a huge difference between a socialism and a democratic socialism. socialism is based on publicly owned means of productions, equality of income and etc, but democratic socialism is basically what exist in most of Europe and to some extent in the USA , it's a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism. and on your last point I do not watch MSNBC or CNN. in fact they hate Bernie Sanders as much as Fox news does. they either do not cover him at all or if they do it is in negative light. Because he present a threat to establishment, and after-all this big news corporation are owned by billionaires who do not want to see an increase in their taxes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewinner Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 14 hours ago, Ridgerunner said: You are so brainwashed and ignorant. You sound like a liberal progressive parrot. Sound like an ignorant European or a typical brain dead American college student. If you are American, HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR YOUR FAIR SHARE IN INCOME TAX LAST YEAR? I'm a veteran and I don't sleep on the street. The vast majority of people who sleep on the street in the U.S. have mental or drug problems and refuse to sleep in shelters. I am not brainwashed or ignorant, in fact I think critically about the issues and make my judgement based on reality. please criticise my points of view with logic and reason, as I do not see how personal attacks can help the conversation. if you need to know I am a middle class British citizen, and I am not a student. I work and pay my taxes. as you might know we have a progressive tax system in the Great Britain, so it increases as you make more money. and I am happy to pay my taxes as I know most of it goes into right causes such as the NHS (National Health Service), Housing, and welfare which helps the entire nation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewinner Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 14 hours ago, Ridgerunner said: Define exactly how much "fair share" is. That is a meaningless term. What percentage of their income should the rich and corporations pay in income taxes? That's not for me to define. it's the job of politician and experts to have a debate and come up with a percentage that makes sense. but it definitely can not be 0% which a lot of companies are paying right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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