letsdothis Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said: You are the one full of hatred, not me. How much longer until you again cannot contain it and it bursts free in one of your tirades? Once again, look who's talking!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I just read this in relation to the news of the coronavirus and it comes from a beginning of study done in the United States, it is rather interesting for those who think that it was the miracle product Twice as many deaths "and" no benefit "with hydroxychloroquine. It is an American medical study involving several hundred patients who states: "We have found no evidence that hydroxychloroquine, associated or not with azithromycin, reduces the risk of mechanical ventilation in hospitalized patients. covid-19. " And there is worse: mortality, which rises to 11% in the "control" group (benefiting from the usual treatment), reaches 22% in patients treated with the hydroxychloroquine / azithromycin combination, and even 28% in those that are only treated with hydroxychloroquine. "These results underscore the importance of awaiting the results of current, prospective, randomized and controlled studies before generalizing the use of these drugs" against covid-19, conclude the authors. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zone51 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 you will see in the next weeks and months because of the economic crisis many houses will be for sale because the owners will be no longer be able to pay their credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 10 hours ago, letsdothis said: Once again, look who's talking!!! And you are such a nice person, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 In the future it will be interesting to see whether mitigation efforts have stopped the coronavirus pandemic or just prolonged it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said: In the future it will be interesting to see whether mitigation efforts have stopped the coronavirus pandemic or just prolonged it. Are you talking about having set up containment? Statisticians have given figures recently which said that without it, mortality would be higher than now but that it also requires that we have no collective immunity because there is only a small part of the population who has the coronavirus This is why deconfinement must be done gradually and step by step to avoid a second wave even worse than the first when most countries are only leaving it now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, moos54 said: Are you talking about having set up containment? Statisticians have given figures recently which said that without it, mortality would be higher than now but that it also requires that we have no collective immunity because there is only a small part of the population who has the coronavirus This is why deconfinement must be done gradually and step by step to avoid a second wave even worse than the first when most countries are only leaving it now. The same statisticians who said with the lock down 240,000 people in the U.S. would die from the first wave of the coronavirius, and without the lock down 2.2 million would die ? Their projections were ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, moos54 said: Are you talking about having set up containment? Statisticians have given figures recently which said that without it, mortality would be higher than now but that it also requires that we have no collective immunity because there is only a small part of the population who has the coronavirus This is why deconfinement must be done gradually and step by step to avoid a second wave even worse than the first when most countries are only leaving it now. So far, IMO, the models and the statistics that have been reported were grossly wrong--and that is the basis for the ridiculous numbers of deaths that were originally predicted. I also believe that the "second wave" can also be false overstatement of the predicted outcome for mortality. This is getting ridiculous. I it always sad to lose lives, to see anyone die, but the fact is that more people died in a year from causes other than Covid19 and that based on new serology data, the percentage of deaths vs the number of cases, is actually very low. Destroying the economies of the world due to an over-reaction by "the professionals" and governments can be far worse for humankind than the virus itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said: The same statisticians who said with the lock down 240,000 people in the U.S. would die from the first wave of the coronavirius, and without the lock down 2.2 million would die ? Their projections were ridiculous. You know what, the best is that you test for us, just to see if you're right or not making fun of them We will talk about it later, or not depending on the result For information, knowing that we learn from the virus every day, this allows us to establish better statistics too But hey you seem to always know better than the others while they are in the middle of the cyclone Could you in this case find us the remedy, that people who try to do it can stop breaking their ass for nothing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, happyone said: So far, IMO, the models and the statistics that have been reported were grossly wrong--and that is the basis for the ridiculous numbers of deaths that were originally predicted. I also believe that the "second wave" can also be false overstatement of the predicted outcome for mortality. This is getting ridiculous. I it always sad to lose lives, to see anyone die, but the fact is that more people died in a year from causes other than Covid19 and that based on new serology data, the percentage of deaths vs the number of cases, is actually very low. Destroying the economies of the world due to an over-reaction by "the professionals" and governments can be far worse for humankind than the virus itself. I will not speak for the Americans but I can speak about the case in France We have passed the 20,000 deaths due to the Covid19, which has made it more deadly than a simple flu or the big heat wave that we experienced a few years ago We are only talking about mortality but no percentage of deaths compared to those who have the virus We know that it is more deadly for men than women and that it is the elderly who have the most impact. But this virus puts in difficulty any type of person and can evolve differently according to people, even those in good health Now if we talk about statistics, we have a little more than 115,000 people who have the virus and we are about 67 million living in France, I let you do the calculation with a percentage of about 6% mortality, that's a lot of people still who would die from this virus if it weren't for containment In the United States at the moment you have 800,000 sick for 40,000 dead, it's true that mortality is lower in percentage, but if you apply this to the entire population of the country, it would surely be a disaster too I understand that you have a different way of living than mine, but I don't think that we have to do anything either because in the end we only have one life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, moos54 said: I will not speak for the Americans but I can speak about the case in France We have passed the 20,000 deaths due to the Covid19, which has made it more deadly than a simple flu or the big heat wave that we experienced a few years ago We are only talking about mortality but no percentage of deaths compared to those who have the virus We know that it is more deadly for men than women and that it is the elderly who have the most impact. But this virus puts in difficulty any type of person and can evolve differently according to people, even those in good health Now if we talk about statistics, we have a little more than 115,000 people who have the virus and we are about 67 million living in France, I let you do the calculation with a percentage of about 6% mortality, that's a lot of people still who would die from this virus if it weren't for containment In the United States at the moment you have 800,000 sick for 40,000 dead, it's true that mortality is lower in percentage, but if you apply this to the entire population of the country, it would surely be a disaster too I understand that you have a different way of living than mine, but I don't think that we have to do anything either because in the end we only have one life You already, according to these statistics, have more deaths than the 6% mortality you quote. The thing is you are assuming that the 115,000 people who have the virus is an accurate figure. I submit that based on future testing, that number is far greater, and therefore your mortality % would be a lot less. And stating that a lot of people still who would die from this virus if it weren't for containment may be true to a point---but out of those people that would or could die, some maybe would have died anyway. The article below (read the article) states that the mortality rate in France in 2018 was 9.2% or 601,000 deaths and continues to increase. That is a lot more than the 20,000 deaths due to Covid19 or the prediction of the numbers that might have died with the virus-with no containment. • Number of deaths in France 2004-2018 | Statista WWW.STATISTA.COM From 2004 to 2018, the total number of deaths in France has been increasing, reaching 601,000 in 2018 compared to 509,429 deaths fifteen years earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, happyone said: You already, according to these statistics, have more deaths than the 6% mortality you quote. The thing is you are assuming that the 115,000 people who have the virus is an accurate figure. I submit that based on future testing, that number is far greater, and therefore your mortality % would be a lot less. And stating that a lot of people still who would die from this virus if it weren't for containment may be true to a point---but out of those people that would or could die, some maybe would have died anyway. The article below (read the article) states that the mortality rate in France in 2018 was 9.2% or 601,000 deaths and continues to increase. That is a lot more than the 20,000 deaths due to Covid19 or the prediction of the numbers that might have died with the virus-with no containment. • Number of deaths in France 2004-2018 | Statista WWW.STATISTA.COM From 2004 to 2018, the total number of deaths in France has been increasing, reaching 601,000 in 2018 compared to 509,429 deaths fifteen years earlier. We are talking about people who die because of covid19 but nothing says that they would die this year either without this virus, so because they are old and in good health a little precarious then they would be sacrificable for you? For example, my grandmother is not in superb health, but that does not prevent her from being able to live for another hopefully several years, on the other hand if she becomes ill due to the virus, then it is almost certain that she won't be spending the week All I know at the moment is that we have regions that are in excess of mortality compared to last year and that we are only in the first quarter of the year, so yes at the end of the year, this year 2020 will surely be the most deadly because of this pandemic And I remain convinced that it could have been worse if we had continued to live normally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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