TBG 150 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I've given my suggestions to the hierarchy and never got even a 'screw off, that won't work'. So, if they can't be bothered, why should I. I'll just let my premium run out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Even if I know that you are not going to agree with my words, I will still give my opinion on the situation with an outside eye, well as far as I can. Life is made of a cycle, for example when I was younger I had a period of rap and video games on console, then I had a cycle of video games on pc to finally stop playing completely, I think that is also the same when you follow this kind of site that are VHTV and RLC, after a while you don't find it as interesting as before and you move on I believe a lot of members have expressed this on the forum, and it goes through their own evolution in life, enough to meet a person, have children or flourish in their job We need to be able to renew this but it does not depend only on Camcaps but also on the evolution of sites like VHTV or RLC For VHTV, we can clearly see that this site has evolved since its opening and, to be honest, there have never been many very active members within the VH community on the forum, there are only a handful of members who really express themselves But the evolution of VHTV does not necessarily allow people to come to the forum to discuss what they can see, even if this kind of forum must exist, I doubt that there are many people chatting on girls doing shows on chaturbate or porn actresses, the only thing they're waiting for is the next show or video So yes this evolution helps attract porn addicts but does not necessarily bring more people who like to chat For RLC, the loss of apartments in Russia meant that many members lost the desire to remain members of RLC and therefore of CC If you combine that with the very restrictive rules against sharing their content, it puts a brake on a lot of things. Then there is also the behavior of some members within the forum itself, their way of expressing themselves had the effect of removing many members who preferred to abandon the forum rather than to be in perpetual conflict. This kind of members also have a bad effect with possible new members who would not want to be judged for their comments or their point of view. I don't know if the moderation rules are perfect and maybe we also have our share of responsibility in all of this Happy new year too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyFatboy Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 It's all my fault 3Amy's, I single handedly caused the participation level to decrease 10 fold. When in reality, all I did was cull the herd. I firmly believe that more than anything what has hurt this forum more is the restriction that RLC has put on this forum for sharing pictures and videos. They reached a size in the marketplace where they didn't have to have their content shared on this forum for publicity anymore so they stopped it. Now, when they could use it more than ever, they won't, and they won't because it would make them look like the idiots they are! I also believe losing all the Russian apartments hurt the participation of this forum, it wouldn't have bothered me but it did bother a lot of forum members and subscribers. They (RLC) have made absolutely no attempt to open up other apartments and it might be due to Covid but I honestly think that is not it. I actually think that they were over their span of control and now it is much more effortless on their part and with all the returning repeats over and over again, it's a no brainer how easy it has become. Now, you add N&B as managers for the Barca establishments and wallah, the work load just decreased 5 fold. It's easy to post blame on those that go against the grain just as Moos has done in his post. I'm not nor have I ever been just another cow in the herd. I have my issues with RLC and they will never go unnoticed. If RLC folded tomorrow I would be the happiest camper on this earth!! When I read where someone thinks I'm an angry old man because of how I post on this forum, my gut hurts from all the laughter. Anyone that has ever corresponded with me on this forum knows that I am a good person and that I have a vendetta against RLC. So, to all those member that Moos says I have run off, come on back and put me on ignore, come back and make this forum great again LOL....sorry, I had to laugh. Happy New Year 3Amy's!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robwin Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Why has CC fallen so far down the ratings could be put down to a number of factors which all have their own merits but personally it has been the constant bullying by a small cult like minnority of the majority who like to express honest and open views. This minority just seem to have a holier then thou attitude led by one or two who should know better but are just obsessed in imposing their own views upon the majority. This constant i know better bullying type attitude after a while just pisses people off and they just don't post anymore for the fear of getting a backlash from this holier than thou cult.These select few are allowed to criticise others but others are not allowed to criticise them or else they all gang up on these members. It has been pitiful to watch and read over these last few months and even i have lost my enthusiam for a forum which i am only on just for a good read,whinge and a laugh and not taking anything that seriously. Those who do take sites like RLC & VHTV that seriously seem to want to get involved in all their lives and private matters and even offering advice to them whereas the probable truth is that the tenants don't really give a shit as all they are interested in is getting their paycheck each week or month by getting the most views. The extremes the tenants now go to in order to get these views now is almost laughable but it is obviously what many members want and enjoy so it is what it is now. Whether it is for the better only time will tell eh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave 27 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 10 hours ago, moos54 said: Even if I know that you are not going to agree with my words, I will still give my opinion on the situation with an outside eye, well as far as I can. Life is made of a cycle, for example when I was younger I had a period of rap and video games on console, then I had a cycle of video games on pc to finally stop playing completely, I think that is also the same when you follow this kind of site that are VHTV and RLC, after a while you don't find it as interesting as before and you move on I believe a lot of members have expressed this on the forum, and it goes through their own evolution in life, enough to meet a person, have children or flourish in their job We need to be able to renew this but it does not depend only on Camcaps but also on the evolution of sites like VHTV or RLC For VHTV, we can clearly see that this site has evolved since its opening and, to be honest, there have never been many very active members within the VH community on the forum, there are only a handful of members who really express themselves But the evolution of VHTV does not necessarily allow people to come to the forum to discuss what they can see, even if this kind of forum must exist, I doubt that there are many people chatting on girls doing shows on chaturbate or porn actresses, the only thing they're waiting for is the next show or video So yes this evolution helps attract porn addicts but does not necessarily bring more people who like to chat For RLC, the loss of apartments in Russia meant that many members lost the desire to remain members of RLC and therefore of CC If you combine that with the very restrictive rules against sharing their content, it puts a brake on a lot of things. Then there is also the behavior of some members within the forum itself, their way of expressing themselves had the effect of removing many members who preferred to abandon the forum rather than to be in perpetual conflict. This kind of members also have a bad effect with possible new members who would not want to be judged for their comments or their point of view. I don't know if the moderation rules are perfect and maybe we also have our share of responsibility in all of this Happy new year too Hi Moos,you say that some members abandoned the forum to avoid perpetual conflict,well as far as I can see they actually haven't abandoned as the said members operate out of two places and still appear regularly in the open forum.As for new members not wanting to be judged,etc,etc I think we can see quite clearly who the members are that think they run/influence what we can and cannot say and it sure as hell ain't Amy or the mods. What I don't get is now that Amy has pretty much given up his"vendetta" the vitriol/toxicity level seems to have got worse.?The open forum is clearly split and we all know why but as "amygate" has pretty much died out why can't this "other place" not be closed and return the forum to normal.In my humble opinion there isn't a REAL reason to keep the "other place" open. Would anyone like explain to me why it is still operating.? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, Dave 27 said: Hi Moos,you say that some members abandoned the forum to avoid perpetual conflict,well as far as I can see they actually haven't abandoned as the said members operate out of two places and still appear regularly in the open forum.As for new members not wanting to be judged,etc,etc I think we can see quite clearly who the members are that think they run/influence what we can and cannot say and it sure as hell ain't Amy or the mods. What I don't get is now that Amy has pretty much given up his"vendetta" the vitriol/toxicity level seems to have got worse.?The open forum is clearly split and we all know why but as "amygate" has pretty much died out why can't this "other place" not be closed and return the forum to normal.In my humble opinion there isn't a REAL reason to keep the "other place" open. Would anyone like explain to me why it is still operating.? Hi Already I want to say that I name nobody in my remarks, I just make an observation of what I see every day and especially of what I know yes certain members by the behavior of others preferred to leave the public forum, it is a fact, there is not really a debate to be made in relation to that, it is a truth that it is for the forum of VHTV or even the one compared to RLC On the other hand, I suppose that you still speak of clubs by "other places", I can tell you with certainty that these clubs have no real impact on the public forum so that is not really to be taken into account, it is just a private space for people to express themselves if they feel like it without the whole forum knowing what they are saying, it's just like PMs, and I'm sure you use this communication mode regularly, yet i don't feel you feel guilty about it I repeat that which involves the flow of comments within the public forum, these are the behaviors of the members, I have the impression that it is only a war between those who are for and those who are against, there is no longer any objectivity now and especially of what is happening on the various sites where we have a discussion section, it is clear that there is not much going on interresting at the moment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddhm Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 17 hours ago, moos54 said: Even if I know that you are not going to agree with my words, I will still give my opinion on the situation with an outside eye, well as far as I can. Life is made of a cycle, for example when I was younger I had a period of rap and video games on console, then I had a cycle of video games on pc to finally stop playing completely, I think that is also the same when you follow this kind of site that are VHTV and RLC, after a while you don't find it as interesting as before and you move on I believe a lot of members have expressed this on the forum, and it goes through their own evolution in life, enough to meet a person, have children or flourish in their job We need to be able to renew this but it does not depend only on Camcaps but also on the evolution of sites like VHTV or RLC For VHTV, we can clearly see that this site has evolved since its opening and, to be honest, there have never been many very active members within the VH community on the forum, there are only a handful of members who really express themselves But the evolution of VHTV does not necessarily allow people to come to the forum to discuss what they can see, even if this kind of forum must exist, I doubt that there are many people chatting on girls doing shows on chaturbate or porn actresses, the only thing they're waiting for is the next show or video So yes this evolution helps attract porn addicts but does not necessarily bring more people who like to chat For RLC, the loss of apartments in Russia meant that many members lost the desire to remain members of RLC and therefore of CC If you combine that with the very restrictive rules against sharing their content, it puts a brake on a lot of things. Then there is also the behavior of some members within the forum itself, their way of expressing themselves had the effect of removing many members who preferred to abandon the forum rather than to be in perpetual conflict. This kind of members also have a bad effect with possible new members who would not want to be judged for their comments or their point of view. I don't know if the moderation rules are perfect and maybe we also have our share of responsibility in all of this Happy new year too Excellent explained 🤗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddhm Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 hours ago, Robwin said: Why has CC fallen so far down the ratings could be put down to a number of factors which all have their own merits but personally it has been the constant bullying by a small cult like minnority of the majority who like to express honest and open views. This minority just seem to have a holier then thou attitude led by one or two who should know better but are just obsessed in imposing their own views upon the majority. This constant i know better bullying type attitude after a while just pisses people off and they just don't post anymore for the fear of getting a backlash from this holier than thou cult.These select few are allowed to criticise others but others are not allowed to criticise them or else they all gang up on these members. It has been pitiful to watch and read over these last few months and even i have lost my enthusiam for a forum which i am only on just for a good read,whinge and a laugh and not taking anything that seriously. Those who do take sites like RLC & VHTV that seriously seem to want to get involved in all their lives and private matters and even offering advice to them whereas the probable truth is that the tenants don't really give a shit as all they are interested in is getting their paycheck each week or month by getting the most views. The extremes the tenants now go to in order to get these views now is almost laughable but it is obviously what many members want and enjoy so it is what it is now. Whether it is for the better only time will tell eh. Also nicely explained 😇 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy3 Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 hours ago, moos54 said: Hi Already I want to say that I name nobody in my remarks, I just make an observation of what I see every day and especially of what I know yes certain members by the behavior of others preferred to leave the public forum, it is a fact, there is not really a debate to be made in relation to that, it is a truth that it is for the forum of VHTV or even the one compared to RLC On the other hand, I suppose that you still speak of clubs by "other places", I can tell you with certainty that these clubs have no real impact on the public forum so that is not really to be taken into account, it is just a private space for people to express themselves if they feel like it without the whole forum knowing what they are saying, it's just like PMs, and I'm sure you use this communication mode regularly, yet i don't feel you feel guilty about it I repeat that which involves the flow of comments within the public forum, these are the behaviors of the members, I have the impression that it is only a war between those who are for and those who are against, there is no longer any objectivity now and especially of what is happening on the various sites where we have a discussion section, it is clear that there is not much going on interresting at the moment Trust me, I know perfectly well what happens in these secret places. I know because I once belonged to them myself. I know exactly what sorts of things get talked about behind the door. My big issue with the JabathCaps club isn't the size so much, although it is or was very large for a club. Upwards of 100 members, I know. Blame me all you want to, but this club was a theft of the proper forums and the hook was the insider information and the access to the history. I was just a reason to belong to it. Most of the members could give a rats ass, they just wanted in for the good stuff. The bigger issue that I have with it is that it set up its primary members as a team and its members lost thier individuality and soul for joining it. I know, they fled because of me, but it came a cost whether they want to believe it or not. It did! Friendship and loyalty are powerful things and in this case, there was no escape. Oh sure, they try, some harder than others, but no matter how much they think they are themselves, they are not. They are always tied to the home base and the connection to the beacon of information is compelling for sure. This is why I particularly despised Sparkles. You see I know Jabbath and I know that he didn't want to be in this position. He did want out of it, but Sparkles would not have it. He is the one who insisted on keeping the base open and Jabbath couldn't say no even though he knew what it was doing him, to this forum, and the poeple in it. I like to envision Sparkles as an old mage inside of his tower keep, surrounded by all sorts of pitfalls and traps for those who might fail him. He is stubborn to say the least. His fist is clinched on the members of the club even if they don't believe it. And so the club continues and even if the majority of its members have gone lame, the mentality of it pervades the soul of CamCaps and the bully that it is lives on. I give the other invisible clubs some credit because these people generally stay in their holes oblivious to the forum. Their activities are laregly unknown and out of sight, but not JabbathCaps. No, this one has life and that makes demands upon its members. That they maintain solidarity to a primary mindset. And you can feel it when one does not belong. It circles and it does its thing when it needs to. This fourm is dying because of it, because of what they will not let go. Perhaps I am the cause, but I am not the reason to keep it this way. That's on them. I don't post in the VHTV forums and I don't plan to unless Jabbath and Sparkles themselves invite me to, which is never going to happen. The fact of the matter is that their hatred of me is so much that they still cannot bring themselves to expose themselves fully in public. The are snipets of themselves. The public forum gets scraps and it's obvious. There is not spark when people are not themselves and there is no interest when there is no freedom of thought. These clubs are bullies in your midst and because of it your forum dies a little each day. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave 27 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 hours ago, moos54 said: Hi Already I want to say that I name nobody in my remarks, I just make an observation of what I see every day and especially of what I know yes certain members by the behavior of others preferred to leave the public forum, it is a fact, there is not really a debate to be made in relation to that, it is a truth that it is for the forum of VHTV or even the one compared to RLC On the other hand, I suppose that you still speak of clubs by "other places", I can tell you with certainty that these clubs have no real impact on the public forum so that is not really to be taken into account, it is just a private space for people to express themselves if they feel like it without the whole forum knowing what they are saying, it's just like PMs, and I'm sure you use this communication mode regularly, yet i don't feel you feel guilty about it I repeat that which involves the flow of comments within the public forum, these are the behaviors of the members, I have the impression that it is only a war between those who are for and those who are against, there is no longer any objectivity now and especially of what is happening on the various sites where we have a discussion section, it is clear that there is not much going on interresting at the moment Hi Moos, I think you know full well why there is division in the forum and and in your reply you have simply take the diplomatic way out,only doing your job I suppose.In the end though there is only one person who can fix this and if he/she is OK with it there is not a lot anyone can do. Anyway, thanks for replying respectfully. You and yours stay safe and well,happy new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moos54 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Dave 27 said: Hi Moos, I think you know full well why there is division in the forum and and in your reply you have simply take the diplomatic way out,only doing your job I suppose.In the end though there is only one person who can fix this and if he/she is OK with it there is not a lot anyone can do. Anyway, thanks for replying respectfully. You and yours stay safe and well,happy new year. The problem is you think that there is only this kind of conflict only on the VHTV forum when in fact it exists everywhere on the forum, there is exactly the same thing on the RLC forum This goes well beyond Amy's conflict with Jabbath and Sparkles, there are many other members who only express themselves in negative mode putting a bad atmosphere, and therefore chasing members who prefer to see things positively. We have lost as many good contributors in the RLC section as in the VHTV section When I see Amy's posts, I have the impression that it all depends on the dedicated VHTV forum when it is far from reality and you should all be able to understand it I think that this atmosphere of conflict is the biggest concern of the forum because each camp camped on its positions without wanting to discuss and argue peacefully, we no longer confront points of view, we try to impose our own and if the other does not not sharing, it is easier to insult the other instead of arguing what they say From my point of view, members like Amy or Harley (or many others), wanting to wage war against concepts like VHTV or RLC, get the wrong targets and do exactly the opposite of what they want, they express love that they have for CC but in the end they do more harm to the forum than they actually do to these concepts CC is a forum dedicated mainly to what the participants coming from these concepts can do, for example CC has no connection with RLC, quite the contrary, but that does not prevent to discuss the people who live in the apartments of this site, same for participants coming from Camarads, VoyeurHouse.com, Voyeur Villa or LifeUnderCam when the latter two still existed VHTV is the only site that wanted to partner with CC, this makes it a winner for everyone I sincerely think that when these members understand this, maybe the forum will once again become a peaceful place to come and discuss On the other hand, interesting things must also happen on these sites, which is not necessarily the case all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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