sturmchaser Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, zoifan said: .... wow .... oh boy ... Too much work and I have so much more to explain. I give up. Nonetheless, finally, an excellent and intelligent dissection and analysis. I urge you to continue, do not give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robwin Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Amy3 said: You're welcome! 😉 Hey what's going on I have lost my pink sheep,was getting quite attached 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoifan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Amy3 said: @zoifan I think the fact that Violet and Jeff were let go is fact enough. They could have done a lot more to make it possible for them to stay and yet they didn't do anything. Especially at that time when the push was for more guests and orgy makers. Just look at VHTV now, are there any relatively normal, boy/girl couples on the site? Don't count Marla and Hector because they live in the EU and they don't have to properly compete with the rest to earn money. Pretty muh every single apt includes people who either have guests who fuck on cam or they host parties and they themselves swing or at least have group sex. The bottomline is that VHTV and Jeka didn't do much to try to make it possible for Violet and Jeff to be successful. They let the ability of normal couples to fizzle. Oh sure, they'l take them in, but they won't last unless they have guests, particularly guest who the tenants fuck. As for VHTV contact with the tenants under managers, VHTV absolutely has a right to talk to the tenants directly. This was one of the things born out of the Josh and Silvia incident. They realized then that the managers can't be trusted. There were other incidents as well that forced their hand and made it so that they had some oversight over the managers. What I asked VHTV to do was simple. Rather then have a strict earn or die model, I suggested they pay them all a small enough salary so that they ones who wanted to be "real" and not work the cams could do that. Then offer a pay for views bonus plan to compensate for extra views. This would have preserved the possibility of more "fly on the wall" type voyeurism, while at the same time open the door to people doing more to earn more if they chose too. VHTV said that they didn't want to be like RLC and pay salaries period. I tried to explain that it wasn't the same thing, but alas I failed, VHTV told me and the likes of Violet and Jeff to pound dirt, it's earn or die! Who you manager is matters. If VHTV when out of business I wouldn't blink an eye. Ok, maybe to laugh I would, but I don't give a fuck about them. I think they have done enough to ruin the niche of voyeurism. I am rather fond of CamCaps though. I guess I would just move on to the next thing and see where it took me. But, from the looks of CamCaps lately, I'd say it's not doing so hot. Too many people here who can't handle little ole me I guess or maybe they are just too jaded from it all to keep up. Or maybe there exists an Amy3less secret club that has split the forums. 🤣 It is not all about Violet and Jeff (V&J), As lovely as they are, there are one of so many. VH would not create special case favor for a particular participant. To me Lily (Lily & Noah ) is one the sexist girls walking on earth. I like her be special one. Someone else might love the girl I do not care. Nothing good will come out of this special favor approach. A participant need to earn her rent and it was us (paying subs) who prevented Violet to success. Period. An alternate approach is VH collect $100 monthly donation for participants (Like V&J and many others) who do not succeed due to lack of viewers, but have very few fans (like you and I) so Violet could keep the light on. Would you donate a few hundred dollars monthly to keep Violet or Nicole and many others around? It seems that we tend to stand at the corner of the field and throw convenient suggestions ( orders ) to VH. Then we get angry (I mean volcano level angry) if VH does not quickly obey. Before we throw such convenient special requests, we need to answer a few though questions to make sure we are qualified to toss recommendations like we are doing: Question #1: How many successful Voyeur businesses have we operated that survived beyond 3 years? Answer #1: Zero !!! Question #2: Are you capable to provide a +-40% estimate of man-hour it takes to deliver all the brilliant ideas we toss at VH? Answer #2: No I do not have an official project management experience. I am not a people manager, or never managed any annual budget beyond small amount. Question #3: Do we have a slight idea about the technology involved behind that zoomable and previewable timeline that VH provides for each of the cameras? Do we have any remote idea how to capacity plan the bandwidth, storage and processing power required to deliver such service and scale it during high/low seasons? Answer #2: Most of us do not have a slight clue. Question #3: Have you executed an international business that operates in a few countries and deal with the accounting and multi-national corporate tax matters? What is the hourly rate of such an accounting firm who can handle such composite tax structure? Answer #3: I don't want to even imagine that. Above questions should give some ideas about the business, operational, technology, finance and regulation challenges that a multi-national business such as VH must deal with. My answers show I am clueless and I am not qualified. That is why I don't dare to make bold and convenient recommendations to VH. -- except all I am asking is bringing thick girls (just kidding ) >> If VHTV when out of business I wouldn't blink an eye. Ok, maybe to laugh I would, but I don't give a fuck about them. Sorry, but looking at your comments in past 4 years, I am not sure you can survive a single day without VH. You just don't know it yet. >> I think they have done enough to ruin the niche of voyeurism. As I said, it is us (paying subscribers) who are proving that voyeurism will not survive. Go to archive and look at those nice couples were participating 4 years ago. Can you find their type now? What happened to them? It was us that kicked them out and helped the mega-swingers survive. It is free trade and democracy, so I am not complaining. I am just trying to help everybody to see the reality of what is happening. In summery, VH is juts following our (paying subscribers) direction. VH had a good start, but its customers forced it to bring porn-shows. VH would survive if it wasn't following our direction. For now, I think we should check out Kira's place and see what happened after that kiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoifan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Amy3 said: I'm a freelance commenter on a forum, I was here before VHTV existed and if VHTV closed shop tomorrow, I'd be here the day after that. If I'm attached to anything it's CamCaps. I don't subscribe because I don't need to. I can follow every single apt very easily without the need to see the live video feed from the paid cams. The previews and CC solve that problem thoroughly. IMHO, out of greed, VHTV grasped for more money and their need to beat RLC, that the sold out voyeurism to gain more subscribers. They did not honor the niche and in doing so they ruined the feasibility of it existing ever again for all. Yes, you pay-subs with an insatiable need for constant sex, drove VHTV, the managers, and the tenants, into providing that at all costs, including the concept of real life. It has been very clearly established that being successful on VHTV one must work the cams, particularly with guests. Lots of guests! I know for a fact that the tenants earn almost nothing outside of sexual activity. The new class of voyeur subs don't care for that stuff. Some here do, but the masses of subs, who are out there, don't give a shit about the real lives of these people. They scour the site for live sex, click, click, click, until they find it, check the timelines, archives, and done. All of the tenants are very much aware that they must have guests over if they want to generate any interest. So, fine, you want to say VHTV is what the paying subs want it to be, that's perfectly fair and I agree, but it's my opinion that the real value of what voyeurism is, has been totally lost and it was VHTV who allowed it to happen. Way back in the beginning James told me that for them it was about voyeurism, not the money. I think time has demonstrated that was a lie. This is not the real lives of these people. This is the real lives of these people, largely involved in a pyramid scheme as they navigate the gauntlet of entertaining viewers for money. That is, it's almost all a performance. Yes, even when a porn star is filming, it's their real life. No need to argue about the word "real". My point is that what happens on VHTV is largely not their real life, at least not the parts that actually allow them to stay on the site. Just so you know, I did prove to myself that I can indeed walk away from this. I chose to be here because I like being able to express myself this way. It's an outlet for me and I enjoy it. >>> I'm a freelance commenter on a forum Yes, with the writing skills and talent that you have, you can easily make $75-$95 an hour in west coast doing copy writing or social/digital media freelance work. I just can't figure out what drives you to spend so much time and energy here to bash everything about VH. No that it bothers me at all, but one explanation could be you and I have the same type of sex addiction. At the same type, you don't have a subscription. So the real driver behind Mr. Amy3 remains a mystery which is cool. >>> IMHO, out of greed, VHTV grasped for more money and their need to beat RLC, that the sold out voyeurism to gain more subscribers. But you can't make such statement unless you see their balance sheet. Based on a few indications (I elaborated a few times) , I can guess that they are not doing very hot financially. The owner(s) might drive a nice car, own a house and a few cottages - but I assure this business annual gross income is below 10 million - or even much below that. With the effort, talent and resources VH owners throw at this business since 5 years ago, I can see they could do far better if they put the same resources into China Imports FBA or run a hedge fund. You can hire cheap quant analysts with superior brain score than Edda's ass in Russian . >>> sold out voyeurism to gain more subscribers. They did not honor the niche and in doing so they ruined the feasibility of it existing ever again for all. Background: No need to emphasis that VHTV participants are paid actors and agree to entertain us for a fee. Participants voluntarily installed cameras in their places and the cameras are not hidden. VHTV stops apartment broadcasting immediately after noticing any violations. There is absolutely no real voyeurism involved with what VHTV provides. This is all acting and pretending, otherwise we wouldn't be here. The point: The two words "voyeurism" and "honor" do not go together. For reality check and just a friendly reminder, we are not talking about highly praised human values like Kindness, Compassion, Gratitude and Appreciation. We are talking about Voyeurism. Voyeurism is not among the most praised human values. There is no honor can be associated with voyeurism. Being obsessed with peeking into people's life (specially young and sexy women) is a crime and that is not what we are doing here. Most people (including myself) here are not into looking into participants' cameras for social study. Looking at a few captures you posted, I can tell you like nudity and porn. So lets be honest with each other because I am not able to follow the voyeurism values you are trying establish here. To keep it simple, VHTV provides porn entertainment for a bunch of sex addicts -including myself. I try to be honest here. You or others want stay away from the "sex addict" label, that is fine. But think about the reality:people are here for porn. >>>> Just so you know, I did prove to myself that I can indeed walk away from this. My friend .... You can phrase or twist it however you want, but that is far from reality. Believe it or not , what you explained actually proved you never ever can walk away from this because you are here now. I am not suggesting you leave or stay. I am just trying to explain that you will be here as long as VH is in business. You might decide to leave for a month, but something inside you will bring you back with a creative justification like the one you mentioned. I am sorry Amy3 if my tone sounds abrasive to sarcastic as that is absolutely not my intention. I just felt you might be creating a completely different perception of reality and gradually start to believe into that. Not that it has anything to do with what we are discussing, but have you watched the movie Fight Club? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave 27 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Robwin said: Hey what's going on I have lost my pink sheep,was getting quite attached 🙄 The burning question is:is it a Ram or a Ewe !!??😀😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ze81 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Ask yourselves a question...why is the greenish rock there.......exactly!Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robwin Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Amy3 said: Haha! I liked it too, but it seems that others didn't so much. Trying out the bimbo look. Fits me well, I think. 🤪 That's me on the left. Lol 🤣 Haha well not a bad choice, wouldn't mind any of em actually lol. Since when have others opinions bothered you then? At least pink sheepy stood out well 😂👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robwin Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Dave 27 said: The burning question is:is it a Ram or a Ewe !!??😀😀 Depended on the mood of the day lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robwin Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Ah well novels out the window now, in to thesis writing now eh lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ze81 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Next minutes..better say..hours.After three hours cam not loading correctly or even not loading at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbath1987 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, ze81 said: Next minutes..better say..hours.After three hours cam not loading correctly or even not loading at all. Really? Til now I had no problems. What place you have the problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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