letsdothis Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, happyone said: The above was an article written in April 30 by the Sun in UK which has questions about its facts Here is another more recent article May 7, 2020 that quotes Anders Tegnel--that top epidemiologist and paints a different response It's only a week's difference. And for him to do a complete 180 on the things he said in the first article just a week later, makes it sound as if the government told him to get on board and change his opinions. JMO, but plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 It will take years to determine the damage done by covid-19 and by the decisions made to fight covid-19. How many people will die directly from covid-19 and how many people will die or have a reduced quality of life because economies were shut down to fight covid-19? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, letsdothis said: It's only a week's difference. And for him to do a complete 180 on the things he said in the first article just a week later, makes it sound as if the government told him to get on board and change his opinions. JMO, but plausible. Or the Sun a newspaper tabloid--was not being truthful or accurate in what was actually said. In the article I posted CNBC actually quoted him, rather than just write a story on what the reporter thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, letsdothis said: It's only a week's difference. And for him to do a complete 180 on the things he said in the first article just a week later, makes it sound as if the government told him to get on board and change his opinions. JMO, but plausible. Yeah, you're never wrong. Just like you couldn't admit being wrong about Gov. Cuomo causing deaths in New York nursing homes by requiring them to admit patients infected with covid-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said: Now you are just playing games with numbers, totally detached from reality. The death rate/day for covid-19 is not a static figure. In fact, it has been on the decline, so your 2,077,530 figure is ridiculous. I prefer to disprove a statement using facts and figures--not just an accusation --so you will find my calculations just below your post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, happyone said: Or the Sun a newspaper tabloid--was not being truthful or accurate in what was actually said. In the article I posted CNBC actually quoted him, rather than just write a story on what the reporter thought. Similar to stories in the Washington Post and New York Times. Many times there is no connection between the newspaper headline and the facts revealed within the newspaper article. They hope people will just read the headline and never examine the actual facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said: It will take years to determine the damage done by covid-19 and by the decisions made to fight covid-19. How many people will die directly from covid-19 and how many people will die or have a reduced quality of life because economies were shut down to fight covid-19? Those numbers should be more available when 1) the Covid19 virus has been eradicated for the current cycle and 2) when data is actually published for the number of suicides that occurred during 2020 (The beginning of the virus and hopefully to December 31, 2020 the end of the immediate economic crisis) However, there still may be significant data regarding suicides in the following years as the economies will have not fully recovered causing individual continued economic and mental suffering . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said: Similar to stories in the Washington Post and New York Times. Many times there is no connection between the newspaper headline and the facts revealed within the newspaper article. They hope people will just read the headline and never examine the actual facts. Exactly--but it is hard to pull the wool over this old man's eyes 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, happyone said: Those numbers should be more available when 1) the Covid19 virus has been eradicated for the current cycle and 2) when data is actually published for the number of suicides that occurred during 2020 (The beginning of the virus and hopefully to December 31, 2020 the end of the immediate economic crisis) However, there still may be significant data regarding suicides in the following years as the economies will have not fully recovered causing individual continued economic and mental suffering . Not just suicides, but what about deaths that will result from doctors and hospitals being restricted from treating diseases other than covid-19. Also, what about reductions in standards of living and increased poverty resulting from economies being shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StnCld316 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Thestarider said: Number of deaths for leading causes of death: Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173 Life must go on and as much as we think we should live forever we do not. Those numbers for each cause are over the course of a year. The COVID19 Deaths are only over the last 3 or 4 months. Some may have had other underlying issues but if they contracted the COVID19 and passed then it will get marked as COVID19 related rather than the original underlying cause they had before the COVID19. No one will ever know the actual causes of their deaths since such a large amount in such a short time won't qualify for a date with the Medical Examiners Office. The bottom statement is very true we don't live forever. There are only two guarantees in this life and that's Death & Taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsdothis Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 38 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said: Now you are just playing games with numbers, totally detached from reality. The death rate/day for covid-19 is not a static figure. In fact, it has been on the decline, so your 2,077,530 figure is ridiculous. No games at all. In mathematics, extrapolation is an estimation, beyond the original observation range, the value of a variable on the basis of its relationship with another variable. It's also not based on a static rate per day. In this case, it's based on the total number in a given time period extrapolated to a longer time period. That's why it's called an estimation. The number for the longer time period is the unknown. It's based on the known figures for the shorter time period. I did make a calculation error, which Happy fixed...kind of. But, at least he understood that it wasn't a game with numbers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, letsdothis said: No games at all. In mathematics, extrapolation is an estimation, beyond the original observation range, the value of a variable on the basis of its relationship with another variable. It's also not based on a static rate per day. In this case, it's based on the total number in a given time period extrapolated to a longer time period. That's why it's called an estimation. The number for the longer time period is the unknown. It's based on the known figures for the shorter time period. I did make a calculation error, which Happy fixed...kind of. But, at least he understood that it wasn't a game with numbers. I know what you did. You took the number of deaths over two months, divided by two and then multiplied by 12 to project the number of deaths per year. And in this case it was playing with numbers because that calculation had no basis in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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