Maturin Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, happyone said: And your factual, unbiased, news source is?? Please share. I'm not going to play news outlet top trumps with you - you people label any news, no matter how factual or well cross-referenced, to be fake news if it does not agree with or reinforce your prejudices. The three countries you chose and their various, US sponsored, economic and physical conflicts are now part of the historical record. But I'm sure you people have a thing called "fake history" to label any historical evidence that doesn't fit in with your far right world view! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 4 hours ago, happyone said: It is not that fucking simple--- Then explain to me why the US has an influx of brown people from Guatamala, Mexica, Honduras, etc,--creating a migrant crisis in the US We are not destroying those countries with either economic power or military might. People flee their own countries without US interference because of corruption, fear of harm or death, from within their own countries, or for better opportunity--and it may have happened or been happening already without any US involvement in the countries you mention. It is definitely the reason that those people are trying to enter the US illegally--at least that is what is reported. 14 minutes ago, Maturin said: At least that's what's reported = precisely what they want you to believe. Guatemala - The United States financed brutal counterinsurgency campaigns with forces it trained in the School of the Americas. By interfering in state policies and it shared responsibility for the genocidal campaigns carried out by the military regimes in Guatemala, including the government of Ríos Montt. Mexico - You seriously believe that the US has not done everything it can to keep Mexico down? You're joking, right? Honduras - Are you people not getting fed up of being schooled about your own recent history, the true history rather than that what's reported on your "news" channels? Try this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/27/us-honduras-coup I found the above in seconds, after inputting 4 words and clicking twice. There is no longer any excuse for being so uninformed. Your "news," is lying to you and the truth behind the lies that you believe are becoming easier to uncover. My source for that information highlighted in red was the major US news channels---so precisely what they want you to believe.--guess you do not believe them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thestarider Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, Maturin said: The rest of the world doesn't care if it was the Republicans in charge at the time of any of those examples that you chose or indeed if it was the Democrats that were responsible -they all (and by extension, you all) fuck over other countries around the world for the "glory" of the USA, so you're all culpable and sound really pathetic when you moan about the mess that you've caused. Un fuckin believable, LMAO, This guy is like the blind leading the blind. He only sees what he chooses to see, which is very little for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Thestarider said: Un fuckin believable, LMAO, This guy is like the blind leading the blind. He only sees what he chooses to see, which is very little for sure. Yep, another well researched and argued contribution from you to this thread. Thanks and well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thestarider Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Just now, Maturin said: Yep, another well researched and argued contribution from you to this thread. Well done. It is not even worth my time anymore, as I have already stated, reserached so much factual evidence to refute any of your positions, that you spew on here, I just will read your positions, and know it takes all kinds to make this world go around. I am just very happy to share that there are many in this world who have chosen to take off the blinders, and see the socialist's for what they represent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Thestarider said: It is not even worth my time anymore, as I have already stated, reserached so much factual evidence to refute any of your positions, that you spew on here, I just will read your positions, and know it takes all kinds to make this world go around. I am just very happy to share that there are many in this world who have chosen to take off the blinders, and see the socialist's for what they represent. All I ever see you do here is repost memes or articles that are blatantly copy/pasted that you try to pass off as your own. You also tend to use the word socialist and socialism like you know what they mean when you clearly do not. If it isn't worth your time any more - then act like it. I had the feeling that an interesting debate was about to develop before you shoved your arse in so if, as you've indicated, you've got something else better to do - go and do that then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thestarider Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Maturin said: All I ever see you do here is repost memes or articles that are blatantly copy/pasted that you try to pass off as your own. You also tend to use the word socialist and socialism like you know what they mean when you clearly do not. If it isn't worth your time any more - then act like it. I had the feeling that an interesting debate was about to develop before you shoved your arse in so if, as you've indicated, you've got something else better to do - go and do that then. Typical insults as always which defines your positions best, an insult to humanity. Your debates are not palatable, because of ill informed information, research, and complete asinine positions as well as a complete hatred of the Untied States. Since this is a forum of free choice, I will be here as long as I chose to stay here. As if it was a Socialist forum, the majority would rule, and then I might have to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Thestarider said: Typical insults as always which defines your positions best, an insult to humanity. Your debates are not palatable, because of ill informed information, research, and complete asinine positions as well as a complete hatred of the Untied States. Since this is a forum of free choice, I will be here as long as I chose to stay here. As if it was a Socialist forum, the majority would rule, and then I might have to leave. Yeah OK. Right on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 And here is another source to back up my statement People flee their own countries without US interference because of corruption, fear of harm or death, from within their own countries, or for better opportunity--and it may have happened or been happening already without any US involvement in the countries you mention. It is definitely the reason that those people are trying to enter the US illegally--at least that is what is reported. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/22/central-americans-refugees-asylum-seekers-violence From your beloved source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, happyone said: And here is another source to back up my statement People flee their own countries without US interference because of corruption, fear of harm or death, from within their own countries, or for better opportunity--and it may have happened or been happening already without any US involvement in the countries you mention. It is definitely the reason that those people are trying to enter the US illegally--at least that is what is reported. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/22/central-americans-refugees-asylum-seekers-violence From your beloved source The US through the CIA sponsor corruption and fear in these countries. You do know this, they've been making Hollywood films on that topic based on true events for years. Countries don't just naturally evolve well armed and foreign trained militas ready to wage civil war at the drop of a hat. US involvement in those countries that you chose as examples are well documented and part of the historical record. What you're saying is not true. what is happening in those countries is directly linked to US economic imperialism. I get that you don't get it, you're part of the most successful propaganda machine that has ever existed and its been lying to you for your whole life. I don't hold that against you or think I'm better than you just because I'm able to see what's going on but for fuck's sake, you need to start putting two and two together, you all fucking do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyone Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Maturin said: The US through the CIA sponsor corruption and fear in these countries. You do know this, they've been making Hollywood films on that topic based on true events for years. Countries don't just naturally evolve well armed and foreign trained militas ready to wage civil war at the drop of a hat. US involvement in those countries that you chose as examples are well documented and part of the historical record. What you're saying is not true. what is happening in those countries is directly linked to US economic imperialism. I get that you don't get it, you're part of the most successful propaganda machine that has ever existed and its been lying to you for your whole life. I don't hold that against you or think I'm better than you just because I'm able to see what's going on but for fuck's sake, you need to start putting two and two together, you all fucking do! I guess you chose not to read your own source-or chose not to agree with it---That is not what The Guardian in this article indicated. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/22/central-americans-refugees-asylum-seekers-violence We are not talking about well trained malitas--we are talking about crime and violence in those countries.---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Just now, happyone said: I guess you chose not to read your own source-or chose not to agree with it---That is not what The Guardian in this article indicated. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/22/central-americans-refugees-asylum-seekers-violence I guess you continue to choose not to put that one article into the wider historical context of the actual thing that we're talking about. The article is talking about the symptoms not the cause, I thought that was clear enough and frankly I'm a bit disappointed that I needed to clarify that. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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