Grace & Jacob (2019) Part #1

[waldi]

[Robwin]

2 hours ago, Amy3 said:

If there is any doubt in anyone’s mind that VHTV isn’t paying for and promoting porn on this site, look no further then Grace here. VHTV and these tenants who are going along with this #FREE cam bullshit are now pornstars and VHTV is now officially a porn site. 

The idea has always been that VHTV pays the tenants to live on cam, not to have sex. It’s very clear that they are incentivizing the tenants to perform in view of the free cams. That is paying for sex. That is porn. 

Why the shock horror its always been the bloody same, perhaps not always as blatant but its always been there.

[moos54]

The problem with VHTV is not that it's not a voyeurism site
The problem is that they are clairvoyants, they know 1h before the girl will masturbate with a wig and in the kitchen 😂

[Robwin]

Just now, Amy3 said:

I agree! BTW, that's rule #1.

Rule#1: A voyeur site and the tenants/managers must not pre-annouce activities of any sort via CC or Twitter. You may only post and speak of events that have happened and say nothing of events that may happen.

This debate is fast going round in circles if I read much more I will disappear up my own ass in a moment.

Still could be a new experience 😜

[letsdothis]

I don't mean to play devil's advocate or rain on anyone's parade, here,
but isn't it already a well-established fact that VHTV has been a porn
site since sometime last year. People sure have been complaining
about the same issues for a very long time, now, so it must be true.
And, it's not like this is the first free cam event they've had.

Just saying.

[Amy3]

15 hours ago, letsdothis said:

I don't mean to play devil's advocate or rain on anyone's parade, here,
but isn't it already a well-established fact that VHTV has been a porn
site since sometime last year. People sure have been complaining
about the same issues for a very long time, now. And, it's not like this
is the first free cam event they've had.

Just saying.

Yes, it is. VHTV is a sex site that delivers sex for viewers. Without the sex, no one would subscribe. Fully agree to that. But, what is VHTV selling? They are in the voyeur sector of the adult entertainment industry and they are tasked with selling the fantasy of voyeurism. Is it really too much to ask that a voyeur site should work hard to deliver that type of experience? Confused porno viewers aside, shouldn't the viewers seeking a voyeur experience demand a more realistic approach to this type of fun?

An analogy for you. When you go to to see a play at the theater and the scene changes, do they turn all of the lights on, kill the music, and let you watch as the stage hands move the set around for the next scene? No, they make at least some effort to try and conceal that part of the show. Why? Because they want to preserve the illusion of realness. They don't want to disrupt your viewpoint of what is happening and ruin the moment. They don't want to spoil the mystery behind the setup and reveal that the elaborate grandfather clock is really just a flat piece of wood painted to look spectacular. In my view, a site in this genre should be working very hard and purposeful to reinforce the illusion that the viewer is spying upon unsuspecting strangers, even though the viewer knows that the tenants are aware of the cams and the tenants are aware of the best angles of those cams in respect to their delivery of such entertainment. Alas, it's fantasy mixed with the reality of a real person's life and the site and managers need to stay they hell away from promoting specific behavior. The tenants should present themselves in a subtle fashion, not blatant or obvious. The site owner should not be promoting or incentivizing a program of behavior that is clearly unrealistic. That's not voyeurism, that's a cam show or a porn production and it undermines the whole nature of what this is supposed to all be about.  Out of respect for the genre they exist in, the site and the tenants need to be clever in the way they deliver the goods to the viewers.

Yes, this is not the first time VHTV has run a #FREE cam promotion/contest. The same criticism applies then as it does now. It's unbecoming of a voyeur site. It further makes everything else that happens suspect. Perhaps they, the site and the managers, are in fact pulling more strings behind the scenes than we know of. If the site owner and managers can manipulate the tenants into performing for the free cams, what else are they capable of compelling them to do? 

Thanks for listening. 🙂

[Dave 27]

11 hours ago, Robwin said:

This debate is fast going round in circles if I read much more I will disappear up my own ass in a moment.

Still could be a new experience 😜

I thought you said your ass was a one way street.😀😀

[letsdothis]

3 hours ago, Amy3 said:

They are in the voyeur sector of the adult entertainment industry and they are tasked with selling the fantasy of voyeurism.

(Sorry, Rob.) The line above may be the entire issue in one sentence. I
said VHTV was a porn site. You agreed as I think anyone would. So, I
would say this: I believe VHTV is a voyeur site in name only. Yes, they
started out that way, but have changed drastically.

Therefore, since they are not a voyeur site, I don't think we can make
any demands of them in that respect for two reasons. VHTV doesn't
really care what we think about how they run their business -  you
said James already told you that point blank - and they obviously
don't want to be a voyeur site any longer. Here's a third reason. It's
a business, but it's not ours and we don't get to run it.

So, why beat your head against a wall trying to change something
that not only no longer exists, but is never going to change back to
the way you want it to be? JMHO. ❤️

[Dave 27]

23 minutes ago, letsdothis said:

(Sorry, Rob.) The line above may be the entire issue in one sentence. I
said VHTV was a porn site. You agreed as I think anyone would. So, I
would say this: I believe VHTV is a voyeur site in name only. Yes, they
started out that way, but have changed drastically.

Therefore, since they are not a voyeur site, I don't think we can make
any demands of them in that respect for two reasons. VHTV doesn't
really care what we think about how they run their business -  you
said James already told you that point blank - and they obviously
don't want to be a voyeur site any longer. Here's a third reason. It's
a business, but it's not ours and we don't get to run it.

So, why beat your head against a wall trying to change something
that not only no longer exists, but is never going to change back to
the way you want it to be? JMHO. ❤️

Hi Let's mate,Just a quick add on,someone recently posted viewing and Subs figures for VH and they were down.To me the recent behaviour of VH is akin to a company in some trouble doing whatever is necessary to save it's self as in the freecams issue.Stores on a high street would probably start with redundancy  but we cannot sack VH staff or the tenants or there would be nothing to watch.A sinking ship with the crew baling as fast as they can?

[Robwin]

2 hours ago, letsdothis said:

So, why beat your head against a wall trying to change something
that not only no longer exists, but is never going to change back to
the way you want it to be? JMHO. ❤️

Think your one liner sums it up pretty well Lets.👍

[Robwin]

5 hours ago, Dave 27 said:

I thought you said your ass was a one way street.😀😀

Depends which way you are facing at the time 

[Dave 27]

6 hours ago, Robwin said:

Depends which way you are facing at the time 

That is sooooo bad but par for the course I suppose😥😥