Nina & Kira (2019) Part #1

[jabbath1987]

1 hour ago, Sofie Cox said:

I'm new here, hello. But I've been watching girls for a long time. I had no need to share my opinions on the forum. I speak Russian, it's my native language, although I haven't lived in Russia for years... But what I read here frightens me.

These are smart girls with university degrees, yes, but what do they do on RLC, VH, CB, etc.? Can't they make money in their professions? You can see talents. Nina is a singer, she has a rock band. Very  strange because of her line-up. But Nina has lost all the lose  song competitions and eliminations and the jury's assessment is merciless. The band also lost most of the eliminations at festivals, and this year they go to festivals for their own money, they pay for their participation. The hours in which they play best show what brand they have.  Their performances are characterized by one thing - empty seats in front of the stage. Whoever watched it carefully had to see it.

 A musician in Russia has as much difficulty as everywhere, only a few succeed. They have talent, they are hard-working and there is a need for happiness. But mainly work, work, work.

And talking about the social character of Sasha's songs is funny - a porn actress fights against social pathology, against domestic violence. Find out how pornography harms the family. Pornography is Russia's problem - there are many pornographic films made here, there are many Russians on  RLV, VH, etc.The problem is that pornography can be a source of harm to the family. There is a mafia, corruption, etc. in this area.

Yeah, yeah, y'all got girls, wives and what? Not enough?  Are You will be happy, w delighted when your  girls shows a naked breast on the CB.?

I don't discuss music and voice, it's always a matter of taste. But you have to listen to music with your soul and ear, not with your penis.

Kira did indeed publish volumes of poems, she performs in the theatre and so on. And she works - now for three jobs....

But one of the greatest talents Niny i Kiry  is the ability to exploit people. They are an  actreses in the adult industry. That's what they really live off, that's what they finance their expenses from. Their basic activity  (especially Nina) is to earn as much money as possible at the lowest possible cost. RLC made her lazy, her life is lying on a couch for which most of us paid.

Yes, we created them, we gave them money and we give them to make  living by selling their privacy. Would you be equally delighted if it was your wife, daughter and granddaughter who worked like this. Would you also enjoy masturbating in public?

Answer yourselves. In my opinion one of the participants of the forum is right. Girls are intelligent, wise and really despise us, laugh at the naive giving them money for nothing. I've been watching Kira for a few years, her face on CB is a complete mask, Nina disregards the observers - she's busy with the phone, prefers to play than talk about stupidity. But Nina can take care of herself - she has time to sleep, lie on the couch. Kira is busy all the time. She has enough strength and health but  how long.

This alone testifies to their mutual relations. I could never use my  loved partner  in such a perfidious way. Are you also lying on the couch all day long and your partner works 2 jobs, cleans and cooks?

They don't fight for survival, for a decent life. They need money from shows for luxury holidays twice a year, for a luxury apartment (Yes) for luxury clothes and finally for their projects. Only if you plan to record a album ,a big project, you work for months, day after day on such a project, you practice and try, you polish. Knowing the costs, one does not go on expensive holidays, does not pretend to be poor and encourages people to pay for the project. It happens so strangely that the Russians to whom this album is addressed are not interested in financial support at all. Again, we are giving money for this album. In my opinion you're doing the biggest harm to Nina - she has to face the Russian music market and in my opinion she would have a chance if it wasn't for laziness and the conviction that stupid viewers will give money and I will buy myself a success. Unfortunately, it won't . It's hard for me to criticize Nina and Kira. I like them anyway, but with horror I watch we all slowly spoil them, pull them towards pathology. They are 29 years old - they are not young girls who want to earn money for the beginning of their lives - they are already mature women with a teenage mentality, unfortunately.

Do you think that all bands in Russia needed RLC, pornographic shows to achieve success? That you can't do without it? Well, you can, only you have to work sometimes over your strength, have a tiger's claw and not a cat's laziness. Read the story of the greatest Russian stars - how much they gave in order to finally shine, Nina wants to shine from the sofa, at the expense of her and Kira's private life.

Instead of arguing about whether they are pathetic or wonderful, it might be worth considering whether we are not pathetic. In order to have a moment of pleasure, we waste their lives. Because they will pay a terrible price for it - they already pay for it (loneliness).  Instead of giving them money, buy beter we  beloved person a gift, take them for dinner, maybe for a nice holiday... Let Nina and Kira really face life, so that they can look into the eyes of their parents, siblings, friends.

Nina and Kira are the product of our actions, our selfishness, our sick imagination,

I know that girls will not die without our support, even maybe they will gain motivation (Nina) to work, to be more involved, to fight for success.

Before you throw them tokens, think about whether you're hurting them. It's difficult, but that's how you have to look at it. Don't you see the irony in a red helmet for sex chat?

They really have a lot of fun with our naivety, but unfortunately, they can't live differently anymore.

I'm sorry about my English language - I don't speak that language every day, I don't want to offend anyone but please, if you love these girls, don't destroy them.

I have been observing them for years and they are getting worse and worse.... Depressions, quarrels.... Don't be fooled by nice smiles and hugs. Read their poems... Most of them have been removed, but what is left also gives a picture. And read the poems DE... If you understand....

For end - I'm a woman...

This is my opinion, it will probably be criticised, because it is easy to criticise others and the hardest to criticise oneself.

Thanks for the info. But I did not understand some things. Who is Sasha you talk about and you say Nina is a porn actress?

[golfer06]

1 hour ago, Sofie Cox said:

I'm new here, hello. But I've been watching girls for a long time. I had no need to share my opinions on the forum. I speak Russian, it's my native language, although I haven't lived in Russia for years... But what I read here frightens me.

These are smart girls with university degrees, yes, but what do they do on RLC, VH, CB, etc.? Can't they make money in their professions? You can see talents. Nina is a singer, she has a rock band. Very  strange because of her line-up. But Nina has lost all the lose  song competitions and eliminations and the jury's assessment is merciless. The band also lost most of the eliminations at festivals, and this year they go to festivals for their own money, they pay for their participation. The hours in which they play best show what brand they have.  Their performances are characterized by one thing - empty seats in front of the stage. Whoever watched it carefully had to see it.

 A musician in Russia has as much difficulty as everywhere, only a few succeed. They have talent, they are hard-working and there is a need for happiness. But mainly work, work, work.

And talking about the social character of Sasha's songs is funny - a porn actress fights against social pathology, against domestic violence. Find out how pornography harms the family. Pornography is Russia's problem - there are many pornographic films made here, there are many Russians on  RLV, VH, etc.The problem is that pornography can be a source of harm to the family. There is a mafia, corruption, etc. in this area.

Yeah, yeah, y'all got girls, wives and what? Not enough?  Are You will be happy, w delighted when your  girls shows a naked breast on the CB.?

I don't discuss music and voice, it's always a matter of taste. But you have to listen to music with your soul and ear, not with your penis.

Kira did indeed publish volumes of poems, she performs in the theatre and so on. And she works - now for three jobs....

But one of the greatest talents Niny i Kiry  is the ability to exploit people. They are an  actreses in the adult industry. That's what they really live off, that's what they finance their expenses from. Their basic activity  (especially Nina) is to earn as much money as possible at the lowest possible cost. RLC made her lazy, her life is lying on a couch for which most of us paid.

Yes, we created them, we gave them money and we give them to make  living by selling their privacy. Would you be equally delighted if it was your wife, daughter and granddaughter who worked like this. Would you also enjoy masturbating in public?

Answer yourselves. In my opinion one of the participants of the forum is right. Girls are intelligent, wise and really despise us, laugh at the naive giving them money for nothing. I've been watching Kira for a few years, her face on CB is a complete mask, Nina disregards the observers - she's busy with the phone, prefers to play than talk about stupidity. But Nina can take care of herself - she has time to sleep, lie on the couch. Kira is busy all the time. She has enough strength and health but  how long.

This alone testifies to their mutual relations. I could never use my  loved partner  in such a perfidious way. Are you also lying on the couch all day long and your partner works 2 jobs, cleans and cooks?

They don't fight for survival, for a decent life. They need money from shows for luxury holidays twice a year, for a luxury apartment (Yes) for luxury clothes and finally for their projects. Only if you plan to record a album ,a big project, you work for months, day after day on such a project, you practice and try, you polish. Knowing the costs, one does not go on expensive holidays, does not pretend to be poor and encourages people to pay for the project. It happens so strangely that the Russians to whom this album is addressed are not interested in financial support at all. Again, we are giving money for this album. In my opinion you're doing the biggest harm to Nina - she has to face the Russian music market and in my opinion she would have a chance if it wasn't for laziness and the conviction that stupid viewers will give money and I will buy myself a success. Unfortunately, it won't . It's hard for me to criticize Nina and Kira. I like them anyway, but with horror I watch we all slowly spoil them, pull them towards pathology. They are 29 years old - they are not young girls who want to earn money for the beginning of their lives - they are already mature women with a teenage mentality, unfortunately.

Do you think that all bands in Russia needed RLC, pornographic shows to achieve success? That you can't do without it? Well, you can, only you have to work sometimes over your strength, have a tiger's claw and not a cat's laziness. Read the story of the greatest Russian stars - how much they gave in order to finally shine, Nina wants to shine from the sofa, at the expense of her and Kira's private life.

Instead of arguing about whether they are pathetic or wonderful, it might be worth considering whether we are not pathetic. In order to have a moment of pleasure, we waste their lives. Because they will pay a terrible price for it - they already pay for it (loneliness).  Instead of giving them money, buy beter we  beloved person a gift, take them for dinner, maybe for a nice holiday... Let Nina and Kira really face life, so that they can look into the eyes of their parents, siblings, friends.

Nina and Kira are the product of our actions, our selfishness, our sick imagination,

I know that girls will not die without our support, even maybe they will gain motivation (Nina) to work, to be more involved, to fight for success.

Before you throw them tokens, think about whether you're hurting them. It's difficult, but that's how you have to look at it. Don't you see the irony in a red helmet for sex chat?

They really have a lot of fun with our naivety, but unfortunately, they can't live differently anymore.

I'm sorry about my English language - I don't speak that language every day, I don't want to offend anyone but please, if you love these girls, don't destroy them.

I have been observing them for years and they are getting worse and worse.... Depressions, quarrels.... Don't be fooled by nice smiles and hugs. Read their poems... Most of them have been removed, but what is left also gives a picture. And read the poems DE... If you understand....

For end - I'm a woman...

This is my opinion, it will probably be criticised, because it is easy to criticise others and the hardest to criticise oneself.

thanks for the insight. but i think that you are a little too attached to them. most of the people here just want to be entertained & that can't happen if they aren't home. also the way that vh pays is per views in the apt! as you said they need $ and they won't get any from vh for not being home.

[Robbo56]

1 hour ago, Sofie Cox said:

 

But one of the greatest talents Niny i Kiry  is the ability to exploit people. They are an  actreses in the adult industry. That's what they really live off, that's what they finance their expenses from. Their basic activity  (especially Nina) is to earn as much money as possible at the lowest possible cost. RLC made her lazy, her life is lying on a couch for which most of us paid.

They really have a lot of fun with our naivety, but unfortunately, they can't live differently anymore.

 

I completely agree that now on VH they are nothing much more than porn actresses - this is different to living your 'normal life' in front of a camera, and I find it sad that this is where they are now, doing cam shows for money. But I disagree that the viewers have made them what they are - sure we are the paying public who make this possible - but we do not force any particular person to perform in front of the camera, it is they who still have the free will to choose their path.

[Sofie Cox]

8 minutes ago, Robbo56 said:

I completely agree that now on VH they are nothing much more than porn actresses - this is different to living your 'normal life' in front of a camera, and I find it sad that this is where they are now, doing cam shows for money. But I disagree that the viewers have made them what they are - sure we are the paying public who make this possible - but we do not force any particular person to perform in front of the camera, it is they who still have the free will to choose their path.

Not quite have, It works like a drug, breaks further restrictions, kills remorse, N&K are already dependent on money gained relatively easily. They cannot give up luxury life even at the cost of their dignity. This is sad. 
They did not start with sex cameras now, they did it much earlier... Money, Money, Money, 

[Sofie Cox]

26 minutes ago, golfer06 said:

thanks for the insight. but i think that you are a little too attached to them. most of the people here just want to be entertained & that can't happen if they aren't home. also the way that vh pays is per views in the apt! as you said they need $ and they won't get any from vh for not being home.

Sad is fun at someone else's expense. It's easy. I don't know, but somehow I don't think it's fun to show masturbation or fake orgasms, Is it really fun? 

[jabbath1987]

1 minute ago, Sofie Cox said:

Sad is fun at someone else's expense. It's easy. I don't know, but somehow I don't think it's fun to show masturbation or fake orgasms, Is it really fun? 

Maybe you are not the target audience of VHTV. You like RLC better?

[Sofie Cox]

20 minutes ago, Robbo56 said:

 But I disagree that the viewers have made them what they are - sure we are the paying public who make this possible - but we do not force any particular person to perform in front of the camera, it is they who still have the free will to choose their path.

you can always tell a drug addict, nobody forced you to, you can't take... No, we shaped it this way, our willingness to watch and play. That's what this is all about.

 

[Sofie Cox]

7 minutes ago, jabbath1987 said:

Maybe you are not the target audience of VHTV. You like RLC better?

That's not what this is about. I observe them rather from sympathy, they had many friends and a lot of happy moments on RLC. And then something bad happened. They lost their friends, the joy of life, depressions started, quarrels started.... Because the money won, with RLC there wasn't enough of it, you had to look somewhere else. And they paid for it

[golfer06]

9 minutes ago, Sofie Cox said:

Sad is fun at someone else's expense. It's easy. I don't know, but somehow I don't think it's fun to show masturbation or fake orgasms, Is it really fun? 

i actually like to watch regular sex. bate shows are not what i'm looking for. fake orgasms are not what i'm looking for.

[jabbath1987]

Just now, Sofie Cox said:

That's not what this is about. I observe them rather from sympathy, they had many friends and a lot of happy moments on RLC. And then something bad happened. They lost their friends, the joy of life, depressions started, quarrels started.... Because the money won, with RLC there wasn't enough of it, you had to look somewhere else. And they paid for it

You think the money had bad influence on them?

[golfer06]

5 minutes ago, Sofie Cox said:

you can always tell a drug addict, nobody forced you to, you can't take... No, we shaped it this way, our willingness to watch and play. That's what this is all about.

 

i get that. all of the audience are addicts to some extent also.

[Sofie Cox]

12 minutes ago, jabbath1987 said:

Maybe you are not the target audience of VHTV. You like RLC better?

VH, CB, RLC - it doesn't matter. Because that's not what it's all about. You are playing with someone , they will pay for it with their lives. Sure, nobody is forcing them to do it, but are you sure? You quit your token and expect them to react. They have to kiss each other whether they want to or not.... etc., etc.