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AP FACT CHECK: Trump, Putin and the no-collusion chorus

WASHINGTON (AP) — The upshot: substantial misrepresentations of what the special counsel’s Russia investigation actually found.

A review of recent rhetoric from Trump and his associates on Russia and more, with Putin in the mix:

RUSSIA INVESTIGATION

PUTIN on special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation: “A mountain gave birth to a mouse.” — remarks Tuesday, echoed in a phone call with Trump on Friday.

THE FACTS: Some might say this is a mouse that roared.

The investigation produced charges against nearly three dozen people, among them senior Trump campaign operatives and 25 Russians, as it shed light on a brazen Russian assault on the American political system.

The investigation did not establish a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia and it reached no conclusion on whether Trump obstructed justice. Yet it described his campaign as eager to exploit the release of hacked Democratic emails to hurt rival Hillary Clinton and it exposed lies by Trump aides aimed at covering up their Russia-related contacts.

The Russians caught up in the investigation were charged either with hacking into Democratic accounts or orchestrating a social media campaign to spread disinformation on the internet.

 

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TRUMP: “The Mueller Report strongly stated that there was No Collusion with Russia (of course) and, in fact, they were rebuffed ... at every turn in attempts to gain access.” — tweets Thursday.

ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR: “The evidence is now that the president was falsely accused of colluding with the Russians and accused of being treasonous. ... Two years of his administration have been dominated by allegations that have now been proven false.” — Senate hearing Wednesday.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, R-S.C., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee: “Mr. Mueller and his team concluded there was no collusion.” — Senate hearing.

THE FACTS: This refrain about the Mueller report stating there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign is wrong.

Trump’s assertion that his campaign denied all access to Russians is false. The Mueller report and other scrutiny revealed a multitude of meetings with Russians. Among them: Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer who had promised dirt on Clinton.

On collusion, Mueller said he did not assess whether that occurred because it is not a legal term.

He looked into a potential criminal conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign and said the investigation did not collect sufficient evidence to establish criminal charges on that front.

Mueller noted some Trump campaign officials had declined to testify under the 5th Amendment or had provided false or incomplete testimony, making it difficult to get a complete picture of what happened during the 2016 campaign. The special counsel wrote that he “cannot rule out the possibility” that unavailable information could have cast a different light on the investigation’s findings.

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BARR, speaking of Trump: “He fully cooperated.” — Senate hearing.

THE FACTS: It’s highly questionable to say Trump was fully cooperative in the Russia investigation.

Trump declined to sit for an interview with Mueller’s team, gave written answers that investigators described as “inadequate” and “incomplete,” said more than 30 times that he could not remember something he was asked about in writing, and — according to the report — tried to get aides to fire Mueller or otherwise shut or limit the inquiry.

In the end, the Mueller report found no criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia but left open the question of whether Trump obstructed justice.

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GRAHAM: “As to obstruction of justice, Mr. Mueller left it to Mr. Barr to decide after two years, and all this time. He said, ‘Mr. Barr, you decide.’ Mr. Barr did.” — Senate hearing.

THE FACTS: Not true. Mueller did not ask Barr to rule on whether Trump’s efforts to undermine the special counsel’s Russia investigation had obstructed justice.

According to the report, Mueller’s team declined to make a prosecutorial judgment on whether to charge partly because of a Justice Department legal opinion that said sitting presidents shouldn’t be indicted.

As a result, the report factually laid out instances in which Trump might have obstructed justice, specifically leaving it open for Congress to take up the matter or for prosecutors to do so once Trump leaves office.

Barr wrote in a March 24 letter that he ultimately decided, as attorney general, that the evidence developed by Mueller was “not sufficient” to establish, for the purposes of prosecution, that Trump committed obstruction of justice.

Barr subsequently acknowledged that he had not talked directly to Mueller about making that ruling and did not know whether Mueller agreed with him.

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8 hours ago, Ridgerunner said:

How could he spread it to his supporters when he never left the vehicle which had all the windows rolled up and he was wearing a mask?:huh:

Not his supporters, but his staff!

I don't know how long the crazy drive-by publicity stunt actually took from start to finish, but my guess is way longer than 15 minutes, judging by the large crowds lining the streets...Face masks have a place in this pandemic, but I wouldn't fancy sitting in that car with a Covid positive patient wearing just a facemasks at all, never mind that length of time... unless they're actually safe because it's all a sick political inspired sympathy hoax of course 😏. My daughter's a midwife and must wear full PPE for her full shift, regardless of the patient's Covid status...

And who actually authorised it!! He might be President, but when ill in hospital, he shouldn't be pulling the strings...

Another point, which I don't think has been mentioned...The critical period for a Covid positive patient is often 7-10 days, when breathing difficulties can kick in big style, and oxygen requirements increase dramatically...he still has a few days to go, so I'd be very surprised, and it would be pretty stupid to leave hospital in the near future. 
Also the treatment he's been given isn't generally given here in UK for mild cases of the illness...😕

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14 minutes ago, Robwin said:

Why the hell YELLOW????? Just can't read it pal !!!!!!!

Refresh your screen. Better now? I'm in dark mode and yellow text is great on a black background. Although, it doesn't usually copy the text color unless I take a screenshot. You should be able to read it, now.

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Just now, letsdothis said:

Refresh your screen. Better now? I'm in dark mode and yellow text is great on a black background. Although, it doesn't usually copy the text color unless I take a screenshot. You should be able to read it, now.

I wish Ridge would type in yellow...😏

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