Moana & Balu (2021) #1

[bluewinner]

3 hours ago, moos54 said:

the problem with VHTV subscribers and the site itself is that it's only sex that counts
This is why you end up with half of the site having either porn actresses or cams girls and the other half who follow scenarios established in advance. there is no authenticity and it shows everywhere on this site
There are not many surprises on VHTV because we know in advance in 99% of cases that it will end with sexual activity, whether with the participants or the guests.
Personally I find it a lot more boring than watching people have a real fun evening where performance towards the cameras doesn't matter.

If we put aside the cam-porno and +6 GMT places ( which is unfortunately more than half of the places we have) the rest of them are 100% more authentic and real life than RLC. As someone who is subscribed to both sites, I find vhtv a lot more interesting than RLC. unfortunately RLC offers nothing but fake lesbian shows and endless masturbations, it is a lot more like chaturbate than a true voyeur site. 

And your assumption that every event on VH is predictable and ends with people having sex is wrong, last night party at Moana & Balu is a good example. there has been many times that there has been no sexual activities in parties and all the viewers were disappointed by it 😂   

[moos54]

35 minutes ago, bluewinner said:

If we put aside the cam-porno and +6 GMT places ( which is unfortunately more than half of the places we have) the rest of them are 100% more authentic and real life than RLC. As someone whos is subscribed to both sites, I find vhtv a lot more interesting than RLC. unfortunately RLC offers nothing but fake lesbian shows and endless masturbations, it is a lot more like chaturbate than a true voyeur site. 

And your assumption that every event on VH is predictable and ends with people having sex is wrong, last night party at Moana & Balu is a good example. there has been many times that there has been no sexual activities in parties and all the viewers were disappointed by it 😂   

Do you find it really real to bring guests you don't really know into your apartment to increase the views and pay them for it? because that's what happens most of the time
Do you find it normal to have apartments closed after only three months of operation because these are no longer as profitable?  surely because it is authentic and real of course
Do you find it normal that some of the participants need to take long breaks because they are mentally worn out? probably because it is difficult to live real life

In my remarks I do not speak of RLC, I only make a simple observation of what I see in relation to VHTV
It is certain that RLC is not perfect, especially since the closing of the Russian apartments, but all that you reproach in your remarks are also attributable to 99% of the participants of VHTV, would you have forgotten that most of the girls put themselves in the best possible position in front of the nearest camera? I no longer remember the term used but it still comes up very often in conversations, probably because it is all very authentic

My words were not in relation to this famous party of yesterday at Moana and Balu's either, because they have just joined VHTV, it was more in the direction of these famous critics because precisely this evening was not interesting enough, because no sex or nudity like in most other apartments, because of course all this is authentic

PS: If we remove the apartments you mention at the beginning of your post, how many apartments are there that are really interesting?

[jabbath1987]

1 hour ago, moos54 said:

Do you find it really real to bring guests you don't really know into your apartment to increase the views and pay them for it? because that's what happens most of the time

I do not think so. Any proof that this happens so often? Besides that when VHTV will find out tenants will get into trouble. It is not allowed to do so. 

1 hour ago, moos54 said:

Do you find it normal to have apartments closed after only three months of operation because these are no longer as profitable?  surely because it is authentic and real of course

Well it is still a business. No money , no honey...  And VHTV only close places due to violation of rules. When tenants and / or managers want they can stay as long as they like even when they do absolutely nothing... They can decide how much efforts to put and how much money they will earn. Just like in real life.

1 hour ago, moos54 said:

Do you find it normal that some of the participants need to take long breaks because they are mentally worn out? probably because it is difficult to live real life

I would see evidence for that too. I know people take breaks or vacations. But mental states of participants are not the reason for it. I know one case where a participant left the project due to mental problems. But not more. 

1 hour ago, moos54 said:

most of the girls put themselves in the best possible position in front of the nearest camera?

Vagcamdirect 😁 I like when the girls are naked but the showing the pussy close up in cam for hours sometimes is just 😴
 

1 hour ago, moos54 said:

My words were not in relation to this famous party of yesterday at Moana and Balu's either, because they have just joined VHTV, it was more in the direction of these famous critics because precisely this evening was not interesting enough, because no sex or nudity like in most other apartments, because of course all this is authentic

What he meant was that there are different standards between what RLC viewers see as a "hot party" and what VHTV viewers expect from it. Said without having anything against the RLC viewers at all. I said this many times the target audience on RLC and VHTV is different. That is why (most) RLC participants won't have a chance on VHTV. Because what they have done on RLC and people liked the VHTV audience does not like. 
 

1 hour ago, moos54 said:

PS: If we remove the apartments you mention at the beginning of your post, how many apartments are there that are really interesting?

Well I won't miss the mentioned places too. As I do not watch them at all. And better quality then quantity for sure. 

[Robwin]

12 hours ago, jabbath1987 said:

What he meant was that there are different standards between what RLC viewers see as a "hot party" and what VHTV viewers expect from it. Said without having anything against the RLC viewers at all. I said this many times the target audience on RLC and VHTV is different. That is why (most) RLC participants won't have a chance on VHTV. Because what they have done on RLC and people liked the VHTV audience does not like. 
 

Well I won't miss the mentioned places too. As I do not watch them at all. And better quality then quantity for sure. 

We all try to justify what is right and wrong just to suit our own views, you are no different than anybody else in that you only like what you like and others will be different. But Moos is quite right with regard to most tenants positioning themselves just to satisfy the viewers demands on what they want to see which in most cases is just plain sex and body parts in detail which is why cams are so positioned to enable this to happen and if they are not then members moan,including you, that they can't see properly or enough or the lighting ain't good enough to see. 

[bluewinner]

2 hours ago, moos54 said:

Do you find it really real to bring guests you don't really know into your apartment to increase the views and pay them for it? because that's what happens most of the time

A lot of times they are actually friends or acquaintances ( for example guests at Ken & Barbie ) and not every guest is being paid but tbh I don't see anything wrong with giving them a share of the profit that they make when their presence helps. the same thing happens on RLC ( Curly is a good example, many times people have said that Gina pays him for his performance on cam ), but the real problem that RLC has is the lack of social life in most of its apartments, very rarely we see any outsider as guest, it's normally just the participants who play guests in different places lol 

2 hours ago, moos54 said:

Do you find it normal to have apartments closed after only three months of operation because these are no longer as profitable?  surely because it is authentic and real of course

some stay longer than others, but if they can't make money or they feel it's not for them, they'll move on. it's the same on RLC, they rotate their participants every few months too, some girls stay longer ( ex Gina or Irma ) and some leave after few hours or few days ( ex that girl in b2 lol ). I don't think that's a good measure for authenticity. 

 

2 hours ago, moos54 said:

Do you find it normal that some of the participants need to take long breaks because they are mentally worn out? probably because it is difficult to live real life

Depression happens in real life too. 

 

2 hours ago, moos54 said:

In my remarks I do not speak of RLC, I only make a simple observation of what I see in relation to VHTV
It is certain that RLC is not perfect, especially since the closing of the Russian apartments, but all that you reproach in your remarks are also attributable to 99% of the participants of VHTV, would you have forgotten that most of the girls put themselves in the best possible position in front of the nearest camera? I no longer remember the term used but it still comes up very often in conversations, probably because it is all very authentic

 I  don't say any of them are perfect, all I am saying is at the moment VHTV ( as bad as it is ) is better than RLC. and playing for cameras is what RLC girls do 24/7 ( Radi has her pussy stuck to cam all day long, and rest of the do it too, just look at popular scenes on RLC, it's only pussy cam direct, masturbation and fake shows ). 

 

2 hours ago, moos54 said:

My words were not in relation to this famous party of yesterday at Moana and Balu's either, because they have just joined VHTV, it was more in the direction of these famous critics because precisely this evening was not interesting enough, because no sex or nudity like in most other apartments, because of course all this is authentic

people watch these sites for sex and nudity if anyone pretends they have other reasons for watching they are just lying, I for one have no interest in watching a sausage party 😁

 

2 hours ago, moos54 said:

PS: If we remove the apartments you mention at the beginning of your post, how many apartments are there that are really interesting?

for me there are 7-8 interesting ones that I follow on VH. but on RLC there is 0, I just like couple of girls there 😄

[jabbath1987]

1 hour ago, Robwin said:

We all try to justify what is right and wrong just to suit our own views, you are no different than anybody else in that you only like what you like and others will be different. But Moos is quite right with regard to most tenants positioning themselves just to satisfy the viewers demands on want they want to see which in most cases is just palin sex and body parts in detail which is why cams are so positioned to enable this to happen and if they are not then members moan,including you, that they can't see properly or enough or the lighting ain't good enough to see. 

When you read my comment from the beginning you would have seen I read that my comment also included that I don't like the vagcamdirect. The part of the comment you quoted has not much to with what you answered 

[moos54]

44 minutes ago, bluewinner said:

A lot of times they are actually friends or acquaintances ( for example guests at Ken & Barbie ) and not every guest is being paid but tbh I don't see anything wrong with giving them a share of the profit that they make when their presence helps. the same thing happens on RLC ( Curly is a good example, many times people have said that Gina pays him for his performance on cam ), but the real problem that RLC has is the lack of social life in most of its apartments, very rarely we see any outsider as guest, it's normally just the participants who play guests in different places lol 

some stay longer than others, but if they can't make money or they feel it's not for them, they'll move on. it's the same on RLC, they rotate their participants every few months too, some girls stay longer ( ex Gina or Irma ) and some leave after few hours or few days ( ex that girl in b2 lol ). I don't think that's a good measure for authenticity. 

Depression happens in real life too. 

 I  don't say any of them are perfect, all I am saying is at the moment VHTV ( as bad as it is ) is better than RLC. and playing for cameras is what RLC girls do 24/7 ( Radi has her pussy stuck to cam all day long, and rest of the do it too, just look at popular scenes on RLC, it's only pussy cam direct, masturbation and fake shows ). 

people watch these sites for sex and nudity if anyone pretends they have other reasons for watching they are just lying, I for one have no interest in watching a sausage party 😁

for me there are 7-8 interesting ones that I follow on VH. but on RLC there is 0, I just like couple of girls there 😄

With all due respect for you, you mix up a lot of things that don't really have a connection 🤪
Already I do not understand why always want to make a comparison with RLC when my initial remarks are only in relation to VHTV

I don't understand why you want to make a comparison between a GOV / COV concept at rlc, where participants are subject to the laws of the duration of their Visa with the concept of VHTV which uses "couples" living in their country, this are two completely different things
GOVs / VOCs are a separate concept within RLC

Yes Gina has already given Cesar money but I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he comes to an apartment with cameras to fuck her, especially since they have been in a relationship for several months , so his presence is not to gain audiences, but to continue an intimate relationship, even if this one is rather wobbly

Ditto for vagcamdirect, you still talk to me about girls from Barcelona, while I'm talking about girls who are theoretically in a relationship, so you might as well make the comparison with the right people

Yes depression also happens in real life, I don't deny it, except that i do not think it's the kind of reason they're on break from VHTV ^^

You would probably be surprised to know the reasons for subscribing to this kind of site, and I don't think sex is really the main reason.

[Kingbanks]

this is the second time this guy hasn't cum when having sex he literally just stops 😂

this guy is a bozo😂😂

Edited April 18, 2021 by Kingbanks

[waldi]

22 minutes ago, moos54 said:

You would probably be surprised to know the reasons for subscribing to this kind of site, and I don't think sex is really the main reason.

Maybe stop thinking, that would be helpful

[moos54]

2 hours ago, jabbath1987 said:

I do not think so. Any proof that this happens so often? Besides that when VHTV will find out tenants will get into trouble. It is not allowed to do so. 

Well it is still a business. No money , no honey...  And VHTV only close places due to violation of rules. When tenants and / or managers want they can stay as long as they like even when they do absolutely nothing... They can decide how much efforts to put and how much money they will earn. Just like in real life.

I would see evidence for that too. I know people take breaks or vacations. But mental states of participants are not the reason for it. I know one case where a participant left the project due to mental problems. But not more. 

Vagcamdirect 😁 I like when the girls are naked but the showing the pussy close up in cam for hours sometimes is just 😴
 

What he meant was that there are different standards between what RLC viewers see as a "hot party" and what VHTV viewers expect from it. Said without having anything against the RLC viewers at all. I said this many times the target audience on RLC and VHTV is different. That is why (most) RLC participants won't have a chance on VHTV. Because what they have done on RLC and people liked the VHTV audience does not like. 
 

Well I won't miss the mentioned places too. As I do not watch them at all. And better quality then quantity for sure. 

Just ask those who understand Russian for proof but I think we have had quite a bit of proof over time on the forum

I find this creepy as a justification, no honey no money, everyone laughs at +6 apartments when we have had proof that girls were used and forced to do the show (violence and rape with impunity), you what do you think of that? The worst part is that VHTV endorses this kind of thing by making this kind of Manager work
Everyone is laughing, I personally have pity on these people who are exploited because that's what we're talking about in the end

I feel like VHTV doesn't learn from its mistakes after the problems they had in Ukraine and Yekaterinburg, but apparently the show has to go on no matter what.

[moos54]

16 minutes ago, waldi said:

Maybe stop thinking, that would be helpful

No, I like to think for myself
I understand that you like to watch porn inside VHTV, but let me tell you that you are not the only one who is subscribed to this project and that everyone has their own motivations, and I remain convinced that not everyone do not look at this kind of site only for sex because for that there is pornhub or chaturbate, moreover there are a lot of VHTV participants with professional projects

[dp7]

1 minute ago, moos54 said:

No, I like to think for myself
I understand that you like to watch porn inside VHTV, but let me tell you that you are not the only one who is subscribed to this project and that everyone has their own motivations, and I remain convinced that not everyone do not look at this kind of site only for sex because for that there is pornhub or chaturbate, moreover there are a lot of VHTV participants with professional projects

Is there any other reason than sex to subscribe to vh?