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If you have technical questions(*) to ask about what the fuck is going on in the House of Commons this week, I shall be happy to answer them.

* By which I mean what the votes mean, where we stand and why we are standing there, as opposed to any political discussion about the rights and wrongs of Brexit, although that does include a discussion of the political manoeuvering which is part of the explanation.

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All I know about Brexit is that it's a complex issue. Unlike a former President, I am not presumptuous to think I can tell an Britisher how to vote on their issues. I follow Euronews, but I don't know if that site is like Yahoo news or MS news, or slanted like Google searches. Personally, I pro-economic free markets; but I also support the right of different nations to determine their own direction when it comes to political edicts handed out from on-high. The UK culture has a different cultural history and different needs than say, Italy or Germany. Hence, the EOC sounded fine and functional to me, but it seems the EU is hell bent on eliminating all the governmental principles of John Locke.

So, even though I'm ignorant of the specifics of Brexit, and such a break won't affect me much at all, I am interested in watching developments.

Carry on, ol' boy. I'll watch this thread. Otherwise I'm stuck watching the Communist International at work in the US, and I'm honestly sick of American politics. Our situation sucks just like my new socialist medical premiums.

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Quite frankly it gets more complicated every day.

The UK can now leave on 3 different dates but the situation in almost constant flux. If you ask MPs, they often say "Well this was the situation before I got to the studio, but it could have changed by now."

The issue which caused May to run off to Europe for her extensions (nobody knew there was going to be more than one) was a piece of parliamentary procedure introduced in 1604, shortly before the Gunpowder plot. It basically says you cannot keep bringing back a motion to the house which is essentially the same as a previous motion which has already been defeated. May's deal has been heavily defeated twice - this is not a thread I wish to discuss the politics of that in - so something must have fundamentally changed for her to try again. She will attempt it this week citing the extension(s) as a reason. The presumption is that the Speaker will let this one go. If he does and it is defeated again then it looks as though other solutions will be voted on but there is no guarantee that any of them will find a majority. However May has continually gone back on her word and as she won a vote to keep control of the process last week then it might be difficult to hold another vote on the same thing again which would mean 1604 would work in her favour.

This all happened after I wrote the initial post on this thread and at the point I understood everything. Now, who knows?!!!!!!!

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Tomorrow is a YET ANOTHER big day.
2 years ago we gave in our 2 year notice but our desk is still in the office.

May has now lost votes on her deal 3 teams. The Speaker may try to block a fourth one but all that comes after Monday.

On Monday - well nobody quite knows what will happen - MPs will try to push the same votes they lost last week again. This time if they succeed it is likely but not guaranteed that May will have to listen with there now being only 12 days to the new leaving date. However even though there is definitely a majority in the house there is no guarantee EITHER that MPs will actually vote for a softer Brexit because of politics. And I have said I do not want to get into that here as there is another thread for that but the sad thing is we now have a multitude of groups playing a game with Britain's future in order for either their own personal gain, their party's gain or even power playing within their own party. It is very very sad but would probably happen with any other country who went down this route. 

 

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4 minutes ago, BBsq69 said:

Tomorrow is a YET ANOTHER big day.
2 years ago with gave in our 2 year notice but our desk is still in the office.

May has now lost votes on her deal 3 teams. The Speaker may try to block a fourth one but all that come after Monday.

On Monday - well nobody quite knows what will happen - MPs will try to push the same votes they lost last week again. This time if they succeed it is likely but not guaranteed that May will have to listen with there now being only 12 days to the new leaving date. However even though there is definitely a majority in the house there is no guarantee EITHER that MPs will actually vote for a softer Brexit because of politics. And I have said I do not want to get into that here as there is another thread for that but the sad thing is we now have a multitude of groups playing a game with Britain's future in order for either their own personal gain, their party's gain or even power playing within their own party. It is very very sad but would probably happen with any other country who went down this route. 

 

It makes me proud to be British...😏

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2 hours ago, nagachilli2 said:

It makes me proud to be British...😏

They would  have been better off Voting to Dissolve the Monarchy it would have been a Done Deal come and gone.

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Latest is that MPs have rejected everything again. They just will not grow up. So a 5 hour cabinet meeting tomorrow and on Wednesday we have a repeat of Monday before May has a 4th attempt. Europe have lost patience and may say that we either leave with no deal on the 12th or they dictate the terms of any extension.

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May has now decided to talk to Corbyn - 2 years after she called an election to back her visit of Brexit which lead to the Tories losing their majority. As the Tory whip - I presume you have an equivalent in your country but they are in charge of party discipline - said she should have been more honest about her chances. Once a PM loses their majority they are always in trouble unless they ensure control though a coalition. She chose not to do this and apparently even lied to The Queen about it. Because of this the last 2 years have been a waste of time.

Again I want to avoid politics but what happens if the 2 leaders can't agree on a path and given both are stubborn and it is against Corbyn's nature to agree with anything, this is highly likely to be the outcome?
Secretly, and this is politics, I think she is doing this in order to trump whatever happens on Wednesday. 

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The situation looks to me like a bloody mess.

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5 hours ago, BBsq69 said:

May has now decided to talk to Corbyn - 2 years after she called an election to back her visit of Brexit which lead to the Tories losing their majority. As the Tory whip - I presume you have an equivalent in your country but they are in charge of party discipline - said she should have been more honest about her chances. Once a PM loses their majority they are always in trouble unless they ensure control though a coalition. She chose not to do this and apparently even lied to The Queen about it. Because of this the last 2 years have been a waste of time.

Again I want to avoid politics but what happens if the 2 leaders can't agree on a path and given both are stubborn and it is against Corbyn's nature to agree with anything, this is highly likely to be the outcome?
Secretly, and this is politics, I think she is doing this in order to trump whatever happens on Wednesday. 

 
 
 

A higher percentage of the British people say, Brexit has never been the will of the people – Yes, we are similar. To use the whip or not: Whether and when party group leaders use disciplinary measures to achieve voting unity. Corbyn's critics say a better opposition leader could defeat the Tories and prevent a ruinous departure from the EU. Some even argue that he is complicit in the disaster that awaits his country. IMO, they're wrong... 19.gif.2c08cf8d0d257117d8193ada81c4864f.gif

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How many factors in a UK person's life should be controlled and dictated by group of nations that are hell-bent on their own gains?

I haven't heard an answer from English CC members on that yet...

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19 hours ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:

The situation looks to me like a bloody mess.

That's the correct description.

But I wanted this thread to be about process rather than politics. We do have a European political thread which you started.
Definitely May has made an attempt to change the game

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18 hours ago, ipiratemedia said:

A higher percentage of the British people say, Brexit has never been the will of the people – Yes, we are similar. To use the whip or not: Whether and when party group leaders use disciplinary measures to achieve voting unity. Corbyn's critics say a better opposition leader could defeat the Tories and prevent a ruinous departure from the EU. Some even argue that he is complicit in the disaster that awaits his country. IMO, they're wrong... 19.gif.2c08cf8d0d257117d8193ada81c4864f.gif

Don't start me on Corbyn, joey! LOL And of course there is a further problem in that the SNP pretend they are in a separate country and have shown no respect to their own referendum but that's an entirely different story and the DUP who have noticed that Northern Ireland voted to Remain. Today the leaders of the Scottish and Welsh parliament/assembly will also be consulted but of course, since nobody in Northern Ireland will sit with any one else and Sinn Fein won't even sit in the UK parliament, Northern Ireland don't even have an active assembly.

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From the BBC to save me explaining:

Here is a brief rundown of the amendments that have been tabled to tonight's bill:

  • 13 & 14 - tabled by Labour's Yvette Cooper: This is a simple re-drafting of parts of the bill
  • 20 - tabled by Tory MP George Eustice: Limits the extension to 30 June
  • 21 - tabled by Tory MP George Eustice: Takes out the requirement for the prime minister to put the EU’s chosen extension date to MPs
  • 22 - tabled by Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay: Ensures that nothing in this bill rules out the government extending Article 50 in a different way
  • 1 - tabled by Tory MP Anne Main: Limits the government to a 22 May extension
  • 6 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Ensures the extension is subject to approval by the devolved bodies
  • New Clause 4 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Prevents amendments to standing orders during these extension motions - standing orders are the rules that govern the proceedings of Parliament
  • New Clause 5 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Limits an extension to 22 May
  • New Clause 7 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Ensures that an extension would not result in the UK taking part in elections to the European Parliament
  • New Clause 13 - tabled by Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay: Amends the EU Withdrawal Act to make it easier to change the exit date in UK law

Just to explain who Bill Cash is. He's been about the most fervent anti-EU MP for a very long time. Most thought he would join UKIP. He never did but it is where he belonged. Not quite sure why the Brexit Secretary is the Brexit Secretary because he like most of the cabinet does not seem to mind leaving on a No Deal which the house of Commons has voted out and I think May has now ruled out although the EU may kick us out with No Deal anyway.

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Well the Chancellor is pissing himself:

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