Discussion: 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) #1

[happyone]

1 minute ago, jjkopite said:

Agreed, I just dislike the way some people politically slant some figures to serve their own political ideology. Politics should play no part of a forum regarding such a worldwide disaster. 

Absolutely agreed--Like others have been saying (myself included) this is not about presenting a political agenda in conjunction with this discussion of the corona virus. 

[Foamy T. Squirrel]

Perhaps we should move this thread out of Worldwide Political Discussions and into a Science/Logic Forum.

Politics, media, and politicians seem to fuck up every thing.

[AntEater]

30 minutes ago, Thestarider said:

Secretary Michael R. Pompeo With Tony Perkins of Washington Watch

Interview

Michael R. Pompeo, Secretary of State

March 24, 2020

QUESTION:  I know you just got back in from off the road traveling.  I appreciate you joining us this afternoon.  But I’m going to ask you a very plain, straightforward question:  Where did this virus come from that over 50,000 Americans have contracted, in the last count, about 700 had died from?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  Yeah, Tony, this virus began in Wuhan, China.  There’s no doubt about where it began.  Indeed, the Chinese Communist Party itself acknowledged that that’s where the virus began.  And unfortunately, the Chinese Communist Party covered this up and delayed its response in a way that has truly put thousands of lives at risk.

QUESTION:  Yeah, the timeline on this quite clear that they sat on this for over a month, and even then continued to deny that there was human-to-human transmittal of this disease, saying it all came from animals.  And in the meantime, this thing began to spread literally around the globe.

SECRETARY POMPEO:  Well, Tony, your viewers or listeners who are paying attention know full well every day, every week matters in terms of how this information is transmitted around the world.  That is, when you share this information, the best scientists around the world can begin to work on it.  You can start all the processes, not only vaccines and things that mitigate, but you can begin to put in place the things that will cause the spread to be decreased.

And it’s multiplicative, and so every day that the Chinese Communist Party sat on this information and didn’t do the right thing, and instead punished doctors who were attempting to alert the world about what was taking place there in Wuhan, increased the number of people who would be exposed, and thereby put all of us all around the world – and the Chinese people as well – put them at unnecessary risk, too.

QUESTION:  Well – and you may not want to go here, but I certainly want to make this statement, because the World Health Organization really played cover-up for China, basically going along with the Chinese line, and that was troubling to me.  This is an organization that’s supposed to be looking out for the global health, but yet they were buying the line that China was feeding, the cover-up and misinformation.

SECRETARY POMPEO:  When we go back and look at this, we will, I think, all find out who was transparent, who was straightforward in the course of this moving forward.  We can see – and you referred to this earlier – the cover-up effort continues; the disinformation campaign from Russia and Iran as well as China continues.  They’re talking about it coming from the U.S. Army and they’re saying maybe it began in Italy, all things to deflect responsibility.

And while the time will come for recriminations, we’ve got to work our way forward.  But the world needs to understand what’s really going on, because it’s still important.  It’s still important to have transparency even today.  This is an ongoing global crisis, and we need to make sure that every country today is being transparent sharing what’s really going on, so that the global community, the global health care, infectious disease community can begin to work on this in a holistic way.

My concern is that this cover-up, this disinformation that the Chinese Communist Party is engaged in, is still denying the world the information it needs so that we can prevent further cases or something like this from recurring again.

Coronavirus - United States Department of State

WWW.STATE.GOV

 

 

Nothing he said says China should be held accountable for this accident. Only for their lack of transparency and disinformation. That's very different from what you're saying.

"QUESTION:  Does General Secretary Xi owe the world an apology and an explanation?

SECRETARY POMPEO:  I’ll leave that to him.  What I can tell you are the facts.  You’ll recall, Hugh, that at the very onset of this, when America first learned about this, we did our best to make sure that we had transparency and information....When you have challenges, when you have crises like this one, the most important thing at the onset is to make sure that the world gets access to the data that they need to prevent this, to prevent the spread of this, and the Chinese Government did not act in a way that’s consistent with that global need, that global demand."

"And while the time will come for recriminations, we’ve got to work our way forward."

[Ridgerunner]

It's becoming apparent to me that the coronavirus is going to spread no matter what we do. We may be able to slow the spread in a minor way, but I believe the real game changer will need to be the discovery of an existing medication or of a new medication that cures people who have been infected.  That has to be our way  out of this mess since a vaccine will probably not be available for a year. 

[Kjeld Carlsen]

Latest Update on Corona

 

[zone51]

2 hours ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:

Perhaps we should move this thread out of Worldwide Political Discussions and into a Science/Logic Forum.

Politics, media, and politicians seem to fuck up every thing.

i suggest to move  this thread to the twilight zone

 

[StnCld316]

In one way this all serves as a learning curve. The next time an outbreak occurs Leaders of the World will push the Panic Button a lot sooner than they did this time to try and prevent a similar occurrence.

At present a lot of the World Leaders had downplayed this COVID19 for far too long and look at the mess we are all in. This is far from being over so we are all in it for the long haul.  Whenever this will end no one knows. Until a vaccine is in place to combat this Virus the World is in a holding pattern with no way out.

[Robwin]

5 minutes ago, StnCld316 said:

 Until a vaccine is in place to combat this Virus the World is in a holding pattern with no way out.

Yep said that many times unfortunately.

[StnCld316]

2 minutes ago, Robwin said:

Yep said that many times unfortunately.

Somethings have to be kept if the front every so often so no one forgets.   

[moos54]

I just read that on the news  if it's true it's very scary

Expert evokes 100,000 to 200,000 deaths in the United State

 The coronavirus could kill up to 200,000 people in the United States, an infectious diseases expert, Donald Trump's advisor on the pandemic, said on Sunday, while calling for caution about the projections.

Become in the eyes of millions of Americans a reassuring figure during his almost daily interventions within the "task force" of the White House on the virus, Dr. Anthony Fauci has also mentioned "millions of possible cases".

[AntEater]

27 minutes ago, moos54 said:

I just read that on the news  if it's true it's very scary

Expert evokes 100,000 to 200,000 deaths in the United State

 The coronavirus could kill up to 200,000 people in the United States, an infectious diseases expert, Donald Trump's advisor on the pandemic, said on Sunday, while calling for caution about the projections.

Become in the eyes of millions of Americans a reassuring figure during his almost daily interventions within the "task force" of the White House on the virus, Dr. Anthony Fauci has also mentioned "millions of possible cases".

I take it you read some headlines and an article but not the actual interview he gave. Dr Fauci said according to the models they have (which he says are only as accurate as the data we have) it could be 100,000 or 200,000 but it could also be much less. He pretty much says he is not a physic and can only look at models so he doesn't know. What he did say, which is what I wish they would have lead with in the media instead of the stupid maybe 200,000 scare mongering crap, was that he like the President is keen to open up low-risk areas in the country sometime within the near future (but don't take that to mean next week) granted we have efficient ways of testing for the virus. He says once we have tests available that can give results back within an hour or less we will be able to loosen up the lockdown. Sorry I can't articulate myself properly but I recommend listening to the actual video, it's a lot less worrying than the articles written based off it.

 

[letsdothis]

4 hours ago, StnCld316 said:

In one way this all serves as a learning curve. The next time an outbreak occurs Leaders of the World will push the Panic Button a lot sooner than they did this time to try and prevent a similar occurrence.

As evidenced by this catastrophe, that may depend on who is in office.