Carla & Yanai (2023) #2

[ashleyxyz]

1 hour ago, Epikouros said:

I didn't watch their apartment for Carla & Yanai, but for their parties & guests. I will miss those, and the sexy girls Don Juan (probably their most famous guest) used to bring, & conquer on cam.

Is that what he called, Don Juan. He had such beautiful women. I mean he's not half bad looking, they saw something I didn't, I'm sure he had a great sense of humor, that's my favorite thing in a guy. Well, one of favorite things.

[ashleyxyz]

1 hour ago, moules said:

There are basically three police forces in Spain.

(1) The local police handle minor crimes, citizen complaints.

(2) The national police who handle serious crimes.

(3) The Guardia Civil, a separate national police force whose jurisdiction in Catalonia (Barcelona)  is limited to areas of national importance, such as illegal immigration, terrorism,

In Barcelona, the Mossos have the responsibilities of the local police and the national police, but not the responsibilities of the Guardia Civil in the areas listed above.

The Guardia Civil are controlled by the national government in Madrid.  The Mossos are controlled by the regional government for Ctalonia.

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Spanish law on the need for a search warrant before searching a house.

[quote]...the Spanish Constitution protects unlawful searches by this language: “The dwelling is inviolable. No entry or search may  be made therein without the consent of the owner or a judicial resolution except in the case of a flagrant crime.”[/quote]

[quote]Judicial warrants to search houses, supported by probable cause, are required both in the Spanish and American system. However, Spanish law differs slightly from American law in two broad areas, consent and accuracy. First, Spanish arrestees have the right to counsel for interrogations. However, that right to counsel also extends to asking a suspect for consent to search his house. The Spanish Supreme Court threw out evidence that was obtained after the arrestee gave written consent to search the house. Because the arrestee had not been informed of his right to counsel and his right to refuse consent, the Spanish Court refused to accept the search as admissible.

That is in stark contrast to the United States, where cops can lie, trick, and otherwise resort to common interrogation techniques in an attempt to garner consent, so long as it is not “coerced”. A suspect can of course refuse consent and invoke silence, but the police have no duty to wait for counsel before attempting to receive permission.

Secondly, the Spanish system requires the suspect or his lawyer or designee to be present at all searches of dwellings. §569 of the Spanish Criminal Code sets out a procedure where the suspect or his lawyer must be present to witness searches. If they cannot or will not be present, then it will be done in the presence of an adult family member, or two witnesses from the same town. Finally, the clerk of the magistrate judge issuing the warrant must also be present. If not, the Spanish courts have held this to be a violation of due process.  Accuracy of the search is preferred over expedience of investigation. The United States has no such requirement; all the police must do when searching with a valid warrant is knock and announce themselves. They are under no obligation to wait for witnesses to search. [/quote]

For those who watched the search, or the replay, the woman who was not masked may have been the clerk of the magistrate judge.

I think it very possible that the primary search was for the space on that floor that is not on-cam, and which has a separate entrance.  And that the search of B-6 was a secondary search.

As I read Spanish law, RLC as either the owner or the renter of the apartment would need to consent to the search.  If C&Y were the renters of the apartments, they would need to consent.

Yo moules, could you be a little more concise. Kidding of course!

[HotWivesRock]

14 minutes ago, ashleyxyz said:

Is that what he called, Don Juan. He had such beautiful women. I mean he's not half bad looking, they saw something I didn't, I'm sure he had a great sense of humor, that's my favorite thing in a guy. Well, one of favorite things.

Don Juan - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

I suspect the man was given it as a nick name ref the above.

[Epikouros]

il y a une heure, ashleyxyz a dit :

Is that what he called, Don Juan. He had such beautiful women.

It's what we called him in the forum. I don't know who first came up with the name (it might even have been me, though I don't think so), but everyone seemed to agree with the name naturally.

I really hope we see him (and his girls!) again.

[moules]

33 minutes ago, ashleyxyz said:

Yo moules, could you be a little more concise. Kidding of course!

Of course I can.

1.)  Unfortunately replay is no longer available for C&Y, so I cannot see how they left for their vacation on Sunday June 25.  Did they really go on vacation, or were they arrested off-cam?

2.) If they were arrested on June 25, they could give consent to the search of the apartment.  The police showed up as I understand it at about 08:00AM on June 26, an hour typical if the police expect an apartment to be occupied by sleeping inhabitants..

3.) If C and Y were not arrested, under Spanish law as I understand it, consent for the search had to come from either RLC, or if RLC did not own the B-6 apartment, from the owner of the apartment.

4.) There is an exception to the requirement for consent, and that is when a 'flagrant crime' has occurred.  I am not about to look up definition of a 'flagrant crime', but I think it may be a crime where the police are in pursuit of a suspect.  For example, if a resident of this apartment had gone out into the street, stabbed someone, and then fled back to the apartment and locked it, the police would not need to go to a magistrate judge and obtain a search warrant before attempting to enter the apartment and arresting the suspect.  That would be my definition of a flagrant crime.

5.) Before the cameras went off, no one viewing the police search reported seeing dogs, who are often used when searching for contraband.

6.) So I still think the police were primarily interested in searching the space, about 25-30 square meters IIRC, that is not on cam, and which apparently has its own entrance.  Based on the nature of the business that once occupied that space, I believe this space would be quite secure, and entry would be restricted by the owner/proprietor..  This business was not selling croquetas to hungry tourists.

 

 

[cupid30]

21 minutes ago, moules said:

Of course I can.

1.)  Unfortunately replay is no longer available for C&Y, so I cannot see how they left for their vacation on Sunday June 25.  Did they really go on vacation, or were they arrested off-cam?

2.) If they were arrested on June 25, they could give consent to the search of the apartment.  The police showed up as I understand it at about 08:00AM on June 26, an hour typical if the police expect an apartment to be occupied by sleeping inhabitants..

3.) If C and Y were not arrested, under Spanish law as I understand it, consent for the search had to come from either RLC, or if RLC did not own the B-6 apartment, from the owner of the apartment.

4.) There is an exception to the requirement for consent, and that is when a 'flagrant crime' has occurred.  I am not about to look up definition of a 'flagrant crime', but I think it may be a crime where the police are in pursuit of a suspect.  For example, if a resident of this apartment had gone out into the street, stabbed someone, and then fled back to the apartment and locked it, the police would not need to go to a magistrate judge and obtain a search warrant before attempting to enter the apartment and arresting the suspect.  That would be my definition of a flagrant crime.

5.) Before the cameras went off, no one viewing the police search reported seeing dogs, who are often used when searching for contraband.

6.) So I still think the police were primarily interested in searching the space, about 25-30 square meters IIRC, that is not on cam, and which apparently has its own entrance.  Based on the nature of the business that once occupied that space, I believe this space would be quite secure, and entry would be restricted by the owner/proprietor..  This business was not selling croquetas to hungry tourists.

 

 

[badboylovesgirls]

I really don't understand what is RLC's deal with this apartment.

This apartment witnessed two raids by the police and the second one seemed serious.  RLC SHOULD close this apartment permanently.  It took much less drama and no police raids to close B3 permanently. 

 

  

[rezbot]

1 hour ago, badboylovesgirls said:

I really don't understand what is RLC's deal with this apartment.

This apartment witnessed two raids by the police and the second one seemed serious.  RLC SHOULD close this apartment permanently.  It took much less drama and no police raids to close B3 permanently. 

 

  

who cares

[Pete1960]

7 hours ago, Epikouros said:

It's what we called him in the forum. I don't know who first came up with the name

Pretty sure it was @ddhm 

[Pete1960]

Is Carla still webcamming or has she disappeared from that too

[StnCld316]

1 hour ago, Pete1960 said:

Is Carla still webcamming or has she disappeared from that too

She hsn't been on that in over 3 months according to her last session.

[ddhm]

1 hour ago, Pete1960 said:

Pretty sure it was @ddhm 

I think I had the idea ( always like the nicknames here so when they reappear to easily know for who we are talking about ) , but I think the Juan was too long and stayed only with Don .. It is the same as you nicknamed/christened “ Peater “ 😛😆