Robwin Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, ashleyxyz said: They should add " last updated on 3-25" or whatever date it was. Wheres Dave been? Hiding g under his bed for 3 weeks? I havnt seen him. Oh they say the updated date every day but that 135 is still a load of bollocks lol. Dave's ok I spoke with him last night and he has been having internet problems and as you well know Dave and computers don't really go together very well lol. He was put on a new provider yesterday with Virgin so Dave is now an internet Virgin, the mind boggles eh 😂👍 1 1
Robwin Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, ashleyxyz said: Hey jab, those 3 made sense of something? That might be a first! What are you insinuating young Ash that we usually talk a load of bollocks? 🤭 haha you may well be right, apologies if I am slighting my friends 😂👍 but no doubt they may agree 👍 2
AntEater Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Ridgerunner said: But Dr. Fauci is an "expert", so any bullshit he puts out there is accepted as the gospel truth. The people who designed the IMHE model that Dr. Fauci uses for his predictions are also "experts". Originally they predicted 240,00 Americans would die. Now they are saying 61,000. My question is, how many times is an "expert" allowed to be completely wrong until he/she is no longer considered to be an "expert"? The problem is that you are reading and believing the newspapers. When that report first came out I posted a link on this forum that showed the actual interview. He said no such thing. He basically just said that according to the models it looks like 100k-200k people might die but that is just the model and a model is only as good as the data available so he has no confidence in the numbers and that he hopes it will be a lot less deaths. Sounds like a great expert to me. The newspapers told you that 240k number by twisting his words. If you really want the news you have to start listening to these people talk first hand if you really want to know what they think and not look at newspapers. Newspapers are for entertainment not news. They make their money from getting your attention, not from telling you true information. 5
waldi Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, jabbath1987 said: Okay that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for answering They're very polite people, I'm not; in the future you need to think a little before you post something; btw, I thought you're smarter 1 1
jabbath1987 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, waldi said: They're very polite people, I'm not; in the future you need to think a little before you post something; btw, I thought you're smarter Well was just posting after a long work day and did not think very much 😉
AntEater Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, firewall said: in Spain they are talking to let their borders closed this summer for avoid a second wave with this virus because of the tourists, good luck for rlc for bring new girls in Spain in the next months As if Spain can afford that, they wish 😏
jabbath1987 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, firewall said: in Spain they are talking to let their borders closed this summer for avoid a second wave with this virus because of the tourists, good luck for rlc for bring new girls in Spain in the next months As these girls earn money there they need a working visa and so are maybe allowed to come in...
jabbath1987 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, firewall said: i don't know if the Spain continue give visa during this period or not Maybe for working people paying tax there they will..
Ridgerunner Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 46 minutes ago, AntEater said: The problem is that you are reading and believing the newspapers. When that report first came out I posted a link on this forum that showed the actual interview. He said no such thing. He basically just said that according to the models it looks like 100k-200k people might die but that is just the model and a model is only as good as the data available so he has no confidence in the numbers and that he hopes it will be a lot less deaths. Sounds like a great expert to me. The newspapers told you that 240k number by twisting his words. If you really want the news you have to start listening to these people talk first hand if you really want to know what they think and not look at newspapers. Newspapers are for entertainment not news. They make their money from getting your attention, not from telling you true information. I listened to him. If Dr. Fauci has no confidence in the models, why the fuck does he keep citing them? The models were a cause of much panic in this country, and Dr.Fauci by citing those bogus models helped to create that panic. The model numbers have been so far off that they were worthless. 1
AntEater Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said: I listened to him. If Dr. Fauci has no confidence in the models, why the fuck does he keep citing them? The models were a cause of much panic in this country, and Dr.Fauci by citing those bogus models helped to create that panic. The model numbers have been so far off that they were worthless. The models weren't a cause of panic, the newspapers interpretation of the models is what caused panic, which is exactly what they aim to do. If you've watched him or anybody else speak about the models they all explain that the models are only as good as the data available. I have heard Dr. Fauci say this a million times, pretty much every single time he is asked or is speaking about the models. Every single time. Problem is interviewers keep repeatedly asking him the question of "how many will die" over and over again and will not take 'I don't know" as an acceptable answer so he appeases them by reading out the data in the model (which anybody above the age of 10 can do if they can read a graph) and they then take that mini soundbite and write junk articles with headlines such as "Dr. Fauci says 200,00 will die 😱". They completely leave out the part where he says I don't actually know because I'm not psychic and models are only as reliable as the data. If newspapers were not in it for all the wrong reasons then that would have been the message they would have lead with but how interesting would that be to people? The models although not accurate are very helpful to the people working to help solve the crisis. Those experts know they cannot rely on them 100% and to proceed with caution. The models aren't made for the general public and they're useless to the average laymen because most people don't know how to properly interpret them. But that won't stop the newspapers from running with the most dramatic parts of it. 1
Ridgerunner Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, AntEater said: The models weren't a cause of panic, the newspapers interpretation of the models is what caused panic, which is exactly what they aim to do. If you've watched him or anybody else speak about the models they all explain that the models are only as good as the data available. I have heard Dr. Fauci say this a million times, pretty much every single time he is asked or is speaking about the models. Every single time. Problem is interviewers keep repeatedly asking him the question of "how many will die" over and over again and will not take 'I don't know" as an acceptable answer so he appeases them by reading out the data in the model (which anybody above the age of 10 can do if they can read a graph) and they then take that mini soundbite and write junk articles with headlines such as "Dr. Fauci says 200,00 will die 😱". They completely leave out the part where he says I don't actually know because I'm not psychic and models are only as reliable as the data. If newspapers were not in it for all the wrong reasons then that would have been the message they would have lead with but how interesting would that be to people? The models although not accurate are very helpful to the people working to help solve the crisis. Those experts know they cannot rely on them 100% and to proceed with caution. The models aren't made for the general public and they're useless to the average laymen because most people don't know how to properly interpret them. But that won't stop the newspapers from running with the most dramatic parts of it. Fauci has served under 5 presidents, so he has been a Washington DC bureaucrat for many years. Therefore, he knew what the news media would do with those numbers. He should have never even used the models when he saw the numbers were so unrealistic. He is the one who gave prominence to the models by featuring them in the daily press conference.
Ridgerunner Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 Again, news reporters amaze me with their ignorance and stupidity. They seem completely surprised and amazed that there are now 16 million people unemployed in the U.S. As if they can make no connection between the unemployment figures and the fact that we have shutdown our economy because of the coronavirus pandemic. Duh?
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