Opinions , ideas and speculations for out of the apartment life / activities - 1

[jimbo4]

23 minutes ago, miscvoyeur said:

For my answer, I'd tell you the same thing I said to Pepe that he chose to ignore. If you actually took time to look at other threads, you'd know that people have been speculating about tenants for years. And I mean ALL tenants, past and present, male and female.

My opinion is this, speculation isn't truth and therefore I see nothing wrong with it. I think people should take a certain responsibility on what they speculate, but I also think the other people reading should take a bigger responsibility not taking speculation as fact. But I do not think people should be restricted from posting what they think, and I'm someone who ignores pretty much 99% of speculation because I'm not stupid enough to believe that everything I read about the tenants is truth.

I have also been reading over the years speculation, and generally take most of it with “ a pinch of salt “ But where we disagree is that I feel it unbecoming unless substantiated that members can have carte blanch on what is speculated about outside the apartment.

Yes! Is fine when Pulo says they have gone shopping, or gone to have eyebrows plucked or even that she might have a boyfriend ...but for someone through sexual frustration at no being able to see Leora in the apartment states that she is whoring herself in Prague goes beyond reasonable...Why? You may ask.....Because Leora or any other tenant cannot defend herself against these allegations..and perhaps they read what is written, or don’t their feelings matter?

You are factual when you say you that people should not take speculation as fact..But the fact is some people do.

You and I are not I’m sure going to agree on this matter, and it will become repetitive and boring..so unless you have anything new to add then our exchange is done perhaps?

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[miscvoyeur]

2 minutes ago, jimbo4 said:

Is fine when Pulo says they have gone shopping, or gone to have eyebrows plucked or even that she might have a boyfriend ...but for someone through sexual frustration at no being able to see Leora in the apartment states that she is whoring herself in Prague goes beyond reasonable...

The only thing I would say to this is, you can't pick and choose what others say regardless of why they do it, just because you don't want to hear it. In that instance, it doesn't become a "them" problem, it becomes a "you" problem.

In the example of "whoring" herself, members have been saying that about tenants for years, claiming they are escorts etc. Harley who has been kissing Leora's ass lately out of nowhere, not has and CONTINUES to claim that most of the Barca girls are whores, but he makes wild unsubstantiated claims about all the tenants.. and he's the least educated person on this forum.

[Aussie_oi_oi]

Guys everyone is getting heated. Lets all take a step back.

Why not try and rewrite the rule, but remembering it's to cover all the apartments not just L & M.

The Mod's have asked for your opinion on the current rule to the view to rewriting it. At this stage I can't see anyone take up this challenge. 

There are a lot of smart guys here that should be able able to improve on it. We might even agree the rule was better before it was changed. So come on lets get on top of this so we can move on.

All the fighting isn't getting us anywhere as far I can see.

As always Aussie's opinions are mine.

 

 

[jimbo4]

5 hours ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:

I think it's high time to re-visit the Rules. They've been written and re-written several times. Since PM's can still be a problem, and because this is a public issue, anyway, please express your opinion.

My feeling is that pictures, identifying information about the tenants real life, and stuff garnered from the Internet and their personal social media should not appear, and should only be shared with Private Messages among friends. As for guessing and making speculations based on your interpretation of what you see happening in the apartment, I believe we should have absolutely NO restrictions.

POST YOUR OPINION or squirrel will chew your radiator hose...

This is a member driven board. Not quite a mob-driven board quite yet. Maybe. Kinda sorta. I could be wrong...🙄

 

I agree with your sentiments regarding personal information of tenants, and also regarding speculation WITHIN the apartment, but in my opinion, restrictions should be placed on what can be said regarding outside the apartment activities of tenants, unless it can be substantiated, with common sense taking the lead, meaning that Pulos contributions are acceptable as are any other similar harmless remarks.

Peoples opinions are what makes a forum thrive but thought should be given to the project participants feelings also, they are not objects to be abused in any way.

There’s no problem with someone forming the opinion that Leora is a “ Cam Girl “  or a “ Sex Worker “ if this is the only way he/she can express his/her opinion and it is open to interpretation and argument from anyone who wants to take up the challenge....But calling Leora or any of the girls “Whores” or “Prostitutes” should be forcibly discouraged .

People’s opinions regarding the activity or lack of within the apartment are just personal opinions and are open to argument from other members,always bearing in mind that it’s no use complaining if Leora or anyone else takes umbrage at the remark and ceases activities completely for a few days in protest.🙀

We on the forum are fortunate to have the means to answer back if we find a comment is not to our liking...The tenants don’t have this privilege.

Finally, If I use Leora as an example....I am puzzled as to how a woman who has in the past and presently  given so much pleasure to so many people be the subject of so much abuse and lack of understanding and compassion?

[moos54]

my words will surely be taken as speculation for some, but when you look at your phone every 5 minutes to see if you are on top cam and you change your behavior when you aren't, when you do a show solo only for cams, when you do a show with the girlfriend when there is no sexual desire with her, when you are away for long hours during the day, in the evening, or even the whole night or a whole weekend, actually when you act the same as girls in Barcelona, it is not very surprising to see the same kind of criticism and speculative comments, in itself that is part of the game too

I understand that those who worship their goddess Leora are not happy with this, but they must also open their eyes because the main culprit of this is none other than their goddess who has become a pale copy of girls that she even criticized on the forum when she had an account on this one

I've been saying this for several weeks or months, but if we didn't know that this apartment was based in Prague, we could easily call it B6 and call the two girls GOV

[jimbo4]

1 minute ago, moos54 said:

my words will surely be taken as speculation for some, but when you look at your phone every 5 minutes to see if you are on top cam and you change your behavior when you do not have it, when you do a show solo only for cams, when you do a show with the girlfriend when there is no sexual desire with her, when you are away for long hours during the day, in the evening, or even the whole night or a whole weekend, actually when you act the same as girls in Barcelona, it is not very surprising to see the same kind of criticism and speculative comments, in itself that is part of the game too

I understand that those who worship their goddess Leora are not happy with this, but they must also open their eyes because the main culprit of this is none other than their goddess who has become a pale copy of girls that she even criticized on the forum when she had an account on this one

I've been saying this for several weeks or months, but if we didn't know that this apartment was based in Prague, we could easily call it B6 and call the two girls GOV

That is precisely what I have just mentioned about people must be allowed to express an opinion, as long as they are not against people answering it.

Your opinion if honest is as valid as anyone’s, as long as your opinion and your dissatisfaction at the way Leora is currently “performing” doesn’t influence how you carry out your moderator duties.

[moos54]

4 minutes ago, jimbo4 said:

That is precisely what I have just mentioned about people must be allowed to express an opinion, as long as they are not against people answering it.

Your opinion if honest is as valid as anyone’s, as long as your opinion and your dissatisfaction at the way Leora is currently “performing” doesn’t influence how you carry out your moderator duties.

whatever you may think of me, i am an impartial person when i have to act as a forum moderator, whether or not i like the offending person, i like the participant or not, i like or no the project

what matters most to us moderators is CC

[miscvoyeur]

28 minutes ago, moos54 said:

I understand that those who worship their goddess Leora are not happy with this, but they must also open their eyes because the main culprit of this is none other than their goddess who has become a pale copy of girls that she even criticized on the forum when she had an account on this one

For me personally, I find the main culprit to be the people on this board who worship and make excuses for every single thing she does, acting like everything she picks her nose or drinks a glass of fucking water is somehow an act of angelic bliss because she's the one that's doing it. And as a result we have pale semblance of a barely halfway interesting person because no matter what she does, including these laughably bland camshows with Malia, she's going to get a metric fuckton of money from her subjects.

I do 100% agree and find it funny that Leora did talk shit about the barca girls and in the end turned out to be no different from them. There's just a certain irony there that's just funny.

[Aussie_oi_oi]

34 minutes ago, moos54 said:

whatever you may think of me, i am an impartial person when i have to act as a forum moderator, whether or not i like the offending person, i like the participant or not, i like or no the project

what matters most to us moderators is CC

Basically you ensure the Owner's rules are followed.

[jimbo4]

5 minutes ago, miscvoyeur said:

For me personally, I find the main culprit to be the people on this board who worship and make excuses for every single thing she does, acting like everything she picks her nose or drinks a glass of fucking water is somehow an act of angelic bliss because she's the one that's doing it. And as a result we have pale semblance of a barely halfway interesting person because no matter what she does, including these laughably bland camshows with Malia, she's going to get a metric fuckton of money from her subjects.

I do 100% agree and find it funny that Leora did talk shit about the barca girls and in the end turned out to be no different from them. There's just a certain irony there that's just funny.

Whilst you are doing your fair bit of finger pointing and carrying out personal attacks on Harley, you might spare a few minutes to go back on the forum, and perhaps you will discover that not everyone you accuse of worshipping Leora is a factual statement....

I have been more than outspoken in my criticism of both Leora and the dynamics of the apartment in the past, and I certainly have never condemned the Barca apartments, mainly because I have never watched them..But my opinion as is my entitlement altered perhaps three months ago, and I freely admit to liking her and appreciating what she is capable of doing...Mainly because in my opinion because of the virus situation and the fact Malia is possibly in Prague longer than was planned it has been difficult for Leora to have the total freedom she once enjoyed to fully express herself.

No she is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but then again neither are you, moose54, or myself and Pepe...Different strokes for different folks!!

 

[Aussie_oi_oi]

On 9/22/2020 at 12:46 AM, ddhm said:

Hello everyone , I decided to create this topic so as in a way to keep away from the “ main “ topics of the  girls , all the hate , insults , irony , good and bad comments towards them and of course all of us CamCaps.net members . 

 

Despite being a member for a bit over 4 years , I don’t like to participate at the comments , for me it is just too much that people here , instead of enjoying the content with the variety of opinions and in a way making ourselves always think a bit more , on the contrary , there are / have been phrasal attacks with whoever is expressing something different than the belief that users / members have according to their own opinions , first of the RLC project , then the participants and ultimately the members of the forum . I simply believe that everyone has the right to their own opinion , showing respect to the participants and forum members , insults and irony to both categories , it is really annoying and pity to read and therefore deterrent for me personally to participate in all this . Still I am always interested in reading some very interesting opinions and views .

 

With that being said ( and many apologies for this long intro ) , with the hope also that I am not going to provoke any misunderstandings , I would like to express my opinion about what’s happening outside of this apartment for both of the girls , I think ultimately that this is what is creating this tense here as we all want to explain , imagine , fantasize and at the end accept if we are satisfied the content we see while watching the girls .

 

With all the life changes that both of the girls have been dealing ( moving to another country , adjusting to a different culture , getting  used to daily ( european ) habits , facing an once in a hundred years global event ) , never forgetting of course that it has been their choice and their choice only and nobody has forced them to be and do this job ( it is definitely a job / работай ( rabotay ) ) as they will refer many of the participants and not only them , well , any of their behavior since the end of spring , beginning of summer , concludes to me that the girls have definitely made friendships , both men and women of course , unfortunately for all of us viewers , they either don’t want to share this in the apartment or ( my opinion ) , the friends don’t want to expose themselves at the cameras . 

 

I believe that Leora has tried to convince people so as to pay a cost at the apartment , but so far , it hasn’t worked out . I also believe that both of them have a job also out of the apartment , my theory is enhanced by the fact that whenever they are back after the long days and nights out , if they were sexually satisfied , they wouldn’t (after a couple of hours of rest and food ) try to bate , even of course thinking the pleasure of their viewers . This is something that I have observed mostly with Malia to be honest , still , I am also definitive that they have engaged to dates , something absolutely normal and wonderful , imagine two girls almost at late twenty’s , their hormones hitting red , can’t also think that they don’t have sexual needs . Yes , they don’t bring their sexual life in the apartment ( I also speak definitive as I said but the big picture is that it is only a speculation as no one knows what happens outside , except of people here at the forum that they many times throw a comment just to cause intrigues ) , on the other hand , they think the biggest complain we all have is that we haven’t s seen so far their,  let’s say progress , in Prague , the friends they have made , the relations they have developed . 

 

I believe that this is what is causing the tense here , this guy that has been a visitor / guest , it always brought a new fresh air at the apartment , discussions , even if his drank behavior that day , it was a change to the daily routine of the apartments and caused hot back and forth discussions . Still , he was / is always nice to see him there , it would have proved even better if we could follow the discussions by knowing the Russian language , nevertheless , this is what I believe . 

 

The endless mobile interactions from both of them ( the last two months Malia increased this also ) , it is in my opinion something that shows them that they are also bored with the way things are and they try to escape and “communicate “ with people , things and generally interact while in the apartment and whenever they aren’t in the mood of the “ work “ they have in front of the cameras . Yes , it is annoying to watch for us , but it is nice for them and I never liked whenever it was an attack to them for this personal life moment they have . 

 

Last but not least , I want to say my last two things , first it is incredible the way that Malia has changed of this shy and not smiling so much person at the beginning of her arrival ( first days at the apartment taking shower with underwear , who forgets that ) , to a very attractive lady , in my opinion she enjoy this really much , the exposure and knowing that men fantasize women  is always a hidden desire for the female sex , I just don’t like that Leora is her idol , she has learned her very well but I am expecting to bring her own personality in the apartment and not keep on “ obeying “ in a way ( apologies for the heavy word perhaps ) to the needs and ideas / opinions of Leora . And the second thing , well , we should all calm down with our negativity , we are watching two nice girls , we wouldn’t even be able to brush our teeth not thinking that we are filmed / watched and trying to do it the best way and in manners we have grown up . Here , the girls are spontaneous whenever they don’t need to “ work “

, as soon as this feeling of being spontaneous and not needing to perform because they have to do as part of their job , it will all be so nicer for all of us .

 

I am sorry on making everyone tired with my opinion , I just needed to express myself and in a way take away the negativity and bad behavior / criticism both towards the participants and the forum members . I don’t even know when I post again . 

 

Be safe everyone and take care of yourself , friends and beloved ones . 

 

P.S. English isn’t my native language , therefore , any repeating of words or bad grammar , I hope it is understandable . 

I thought it would be interesting to go back to ground zero before all hell broke out.

[miscvoyeur]

6 minutes ago, jimbo4 said:

Whilst you are doing your fair bit of finger pointing and carrying out personal attacks on Harley, you might spare a few minutes to go back on the forum, and perhaps you will discover that not everyone you accuse of worshipping Leora is a factual statement....

I have been more than outspoken in my criticism of both Leora and the dynamics of the apartment in the past, and I certainly have never condemned the Barca apartments, mainly because I have never watched them..But my opinion as is my entitlement altered perhaps three months ago, and I freely admit to liking her and appreciating what she is capable of doing...Mainly because in my opinion because of the virus situation and the fact Malia is possibly in Prague longer than was planned it has been difficult for Leora to have the total freedom she once enjoyed to fully express herself.

No she is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but then again neither are you, moose54, or myself and Pepe...Different strokes for different folks!!

 

1. Not sure why you felt the need to take what I said personally. If it doesn't pertain to you, then it doesn't pertain to you. What I said was a general statement and not directed at any one person.

2. At no point did I ever claim to be perfect. Not even sure what that last statement was meant to be about.

3. My comments about Harley didn't just fall out of the sky. He has made some of the most disgusting comments one could make about tenants and has made disparaging about other members on this board for many years. And again, if you would have ever bothered to venture into other threads, you would know this rather easily.