StnCld316 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Robwin said: We have similar sheep in UK, many say over here that if you put a red rosette on a donkey the stupid sheep would still try and vote the Labour Party into power and when they have succeeded they have to vote the Conservative Party back in next time to sort out the mess. Ideals are ok when they are spending other people's money but they never learn is the sad thing. It doesn't matter what part of the World or Country you are from. The World is in a Mess and it's just going to keep getting worse each passing day until you get Politicians that know how to do things Properly. The Current ones in place just don't have a Fucking Clue how to run things. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG 150 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 And the ones that follow won't either. Being a Politician is a 'save your ass' job. And they do and say anything necessary to save their pitiful asses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 hours ago, TBG 150 said: And the ones that follow won't either. Being a Politician is a 'save your ass' job. And they do and say anything necessary to save their pitiful asses. A perfect example of that is how politicians are behaving in the 2018 election.I live in the St.Louis,Mo media area. In her campaign commercials for reelection to the U.S.Senate, Democrat Claire McCaskill sounds like a moderate Republican,but in Washington DC she votes like a liberal progressive.She knows if she is honest about who she is she has no chance of being reelected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/20/2018 at 2:23 PM, StnCld316 said: They should put Dictator Trump in a Cage and see how he feels about it. Most of the photos of illegal immigrants in cages were taken when Obama was president. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammer Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Ridgerunner said: Most of the photos of illegal immigrants in cages were taken when Obama was president. November 6th will soon be here Ridge. My next post here will be on the 7th. Post your nonsense until then my man. It's what you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBsq69 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 2:16 AM, Robwin said: We have similar sheep in UK, many say over here that if you put a red rosette on a donkey the stupid sheep would still try and vote the Labour Party into power and when they have succeeded they have to vote the Conservative Party back in next time to sort out the mess. Off topic: Same as if you put a blue rosette on an upper class twit of the year whose mother won the Derby in the home counties, people would vote for that. That probably accounts for 40% of the population (until some of them voted UKIP) but the rest still make up their mind. Governments when they lose power tend to do it after they have left the country in a mess and that's is true for Labour and the Tories. The only reason why the Tories got back in power was 2008 and they did not even win that election. Similarly now this Tory government has got to be the most incompetent anybody has ever seen. The reason Labour aren't winning is because several Labour MPs ignorant of why you run leadership candidates past MPs first (as the Tories do to prevent a self serving ego maniac like Boris being elected when you know the party in the country would elect him given the chance because thy are that stupid) elected a Marxist and yet still managed to deny the MayBot a majority. The only unpredictable elections in the last 60 years have been 1979 when thanks to the SNP bringing down the Labour government and putting Thatcher in power when she led the polls for less than 1 month that year - a fact the useless Ed Miliband reminded Nicola Sturgeon of in an electoral debate nobody cared about and they thanked him by basically scuppering Labour's chances in 2015 claiming they would be in power as Labour would have to do what they said - and 1992 when Kinnock got triumphal and the Murdoch press was out of control ... actually they were out of control for the next 24 years and still are not entirely out of the picture. Even the last election with May running scared of the media leaving Corbyn to almost appear like a leader by attending debates she refused to as well as "really tricky" interviews with Woman's Hour was sort of predictable. 70-74 Useless Tory government overtaken partly by world events 74-79 A Labour government who had got the economy back under control but undone by an abject failure to deal with the unions 92-97 Post Thatcher government which lost a lot of money due the incompetence of "Badger" Lamont and Blair being a much more credible leader than Major 05-10 Post 2008 government. Brown's extreme lack of charisma and while Darling moved swiftly to deal with the bank, Labour did not move fast enough to cut spending. Labour were not spending too much (that's just BS) but when there is a financial crisis you need to cut and Labour didn't. The UK debt was perfectly reasonable for an economy of our size. The situation would have been no different under the Tories as they would have cut taxes more and this had to raise them significantly - just a different philosophy. These have been the changes of government in the last 50 years - no indication of one party being worse than another unless you have blue or red coloured spectacles on. Sorry this is OT but I can't let such statements lie unchallenged. On topic: The reason the rest of the world hates Trump is because we think he's a joke. He is not somebody anyone can do a deal with because as soon as you take off in a plane he's changed his mind. It is waste of time talking to him. He doesn't understand the global consequences of a trade war. US will be relatively better off but by making the rest of the world worse off that actually hits the global economy so US becomes better off relative to a poorer world and therefore worse off anyway. China knows Trump is gone in 6 years and they will just take the hit while doing better deals with the rest of the world. Eventually they will become the world's strongest economy by virtue of population and will cease to care so much about the US. When Trump was on "The Apprentice" you won if you did what he said and had the most generous celebrity friends. It had absolutely eff all to do with business. With the wealth his father gave him, any idiot could have made money in New York Real Estate, in fact few could have done worse. He is a great showman which is why he's been able to ride out the various bankruptcies of his companies but he's rich because his father was rich. And why all his friends evil fucking dictators. "My friend KIm", Putin etc. The events over Turkey are predictable. The Saudis commit an abhorrent execution of a journalist because they know Trump will do fuck all about it. The Turks have let western security agencies see the evidence. Pompeo files to the Saudis to see how they can get out of this mess presumably telling the Saudis what they know so they can concoct a "believable" story. Only nobody in the world believes the Saudis except Trump because he already said he would before they told him. This puts another dictator Erdogan in a position of tremendous power. he can choose to embarrass the Saudis and the US who will now have to clandestine deals with him to save face presuming they really do have the evidence they claim. Erdogan pulled this trick with EU over Syrian migrants. It is bad enough the US and UK are involved in the international human rights disaster that is the Yemen where the Saudis deliberately bomb hospitals and schools and call them accidents, but to find the US (and possibly the UK although that might be impossible given parliament) deeper in bed with them is an utter disgrace. Don't even get me started on (KAN)YE's visit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBsq69 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 5:02 AM, StnCld316 said: It doesn't matter what part of the World or Country you are from. The World is in a Mess and it's just going to keep getting worse each passing day until you get Politicians that know how to do things Properly. The Current ones in place just don't have a Fucking Clue how to run things. True Dat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robwin Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 hours ago, BBsq69 said: Don't even get me started on (KAN)YE's visit! Must admit in all honesty, a pretty fair assessment of the whole world situation. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euromike69 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Never forget 7/11,,, Proud to get an Xtra large cup of Strawberry Slushies On 9/11/2018 at 1:02 PM, happyone said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euromike69 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I feel like stirring the Pot,,,,whopping ass and taking names today Ole' Boy Thesta please come to the front of the Class,,,the lesson for today is,,never copy and paste anything from Facebook,,,that site is full of FAKE NEWS.🤣 Now you see how easily people can find "False/Fake" information to support their narrative....... The post you made was not about 1 individual it was for a Family of 5 people,,,and it was not a Monthly payment,,,but a 1 off payment . And it was not about refugees in the U.S.A,,it was talking about Canada. Ok guys back to your regular scheduled program already in progress. On 9/23/2018 at 10:05 PM, Thestarider said: I would come across the border illegally too for that kind of free money monthly. Do ‘Illegal’ Refugees Receive $3,874 Per Month from the Government? A viral Facebook post of an apparently authentic document showing refugee benefits grossly misrepresents the document's contents. CLAIM Each refugee in Canada receives $3,874 every month from the government under the Resettlement Assistance Program. RATING MOSTLY FALSE WHAT'S TRUE The document shown in the photograph appears to be authentic. WHAT'S FALSE Refugees who receive the listed benefits are, by definition, not "illegal" (i.e. undocumented), most of the listed benefits are one-off payments and, not monthly stipends, and these benefits are for a family of five people rather than a single individual. ORIGIN As is the case for many Western democracies, the Canadian government’s formal efforts to help refugees settle in the country have been the subject of much speculation, criticism and misinformation in recent years. In the fall of 2017, a viral Facebook post spread yet more misinformation about the benefits received by refugees in Canada. On 1 September 2017, Facebook user Mike Marcoux posted what appears to be a photograph of an itemized breakdown of benefits associated with the Resettlement Assistance Program, along with the following message: This is what 1 illegal refugee gets with the federal assistance program $3874 per month. We have modified the image to obscure the name of the recipient, which was included in the original photograph: Although this document appears to be authentic, according to the Canadian Council for Refugees, a national nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting and advocating for refugees, its representation on Facebook was highly misleading: The document details payments to a family of five (not a single person) who were refugees accepted by Canada (and therefore are not in the country “illegally”), and most of the listed payments are one-time only resettlement assistance payments and not monthly benefits. A spokesperson for the Council told us the document showed “a start up breakdown of costs for a newly arrived Government-Assisted Refugee (GAR) family” and that the amounts shown were consistent with benefit rates in the province of British Columbia. Despite the apparent authenticity of the document, Marcoux’s post grossly misrepresents the contents. Firstly, contrary to Mike Marcoux’s post, there is no such thing as an “illegal” refugee in this context. By definition, beneficiaries of the Canadian government’s Resettlement Assistance Program are individuals and families formally recognized by the Canadian government as refugees before they travel to Canada. According to the Canadian Council for Refugees, Government-Assisted Refugees such as those to whom this document appears to relate are “referred by the [U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees] to Canada because they have been identified as being in need of resettlement.” Secondly, the document does not relate to one refugee, as the Facebook post falsely claims. The document clearly shows that these benefits are for a family of five people: Third, the grand total value of the benefits ($3,874 CAD or $2,748 USD as of 28 January 2016) is not a recurring monthly payment, as the Facebook post falsely claims. The document clearly shows that the majority of benefits listed are one-off “start-up” benefits. The only regular monthly benefits are conveniently labelled “Regular Monthly Benefits,” and consist of payments for food, rent and transportation, which, because of the size of the family, total $1,399 CAD per month ($1,094 USD as of 15 November 2017). These monthly benefits work out to $16,788 CAD ($13,132 USD) a year for a family of five (in addition to “start-up” benefits). Unless there are exceptional circumstances, these Resettlement Assistance Program benefits are only payable to refugees for one year. The amounts of benefits depend on the size of the family that receives them. If this document did relate to a single individual (as the Facebook post claims), the overall monthly payments could be expected to be significantly lower. The one-off start-up benefits which bring the total in this particular document to $3,874 also include a $375 loan for a security deposit for housing. Being a loan, that amount will have to be repaid to the federal government. Furthermore, depending on when this particular family arrived in Canada, they may be required to pay the Canadian government for the cost of their transportation into the country, which takes the form of loan debt. According to the Canadian Council for Refugees, the average loan debtbetween 2008 and 2012 was $3,090 CAD. So while the document in the photograph does appear to be authentic, Mike Marcoux’s Facebook post constitutes a gross misrepresentation of what’s actually in it. The same document formed the basis of a similarly-outraged post on the right-wing blog “90 Miles from Tyranny” in December 2016. That blog post cited an earlier article by the now-defunct Magafeed web site, which is listed in the Fake News Codex as a “clickbait site with misleading, poorly [sourced], and outright false stories.” It’s hardly the first time that Canada’s refugee policy has been the subject of false claims. For example, a factual error in a 2004 letter to the editor of the Toronto Star spawned a chain email and online memes falsely claiming that refugees in Canada receive more benefits each month than do Canadian pensioners. The rumor persisted for years. Similar false rumors have been spread in the country’s southern neighbor, the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thestarider Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 hours ago, euromike69 said: I feel like stirring the Pot,,,,whopping ass and taking names today Ole' Boy Thesta please come to the front of the Class,,,the lesson for today is,,never copy and paste anything from Facebook,,,that site is full of FAKE NEWS.🤣 Now you see how easily people can find "False/Fake" information to support their narrative....... The post you made was not about 1 individual it was for a Family of 5 people,,,and it was not a Monthly payment,,,but a 1 off payment . And it was not about refugees in the U.S.A,,it was talking about Canada. Ok guys back to your regular scheduled program already in progress. Do ‘Illegal’ Refugees Receive $3,874 Per Month from the Government? A viral Facebook post of an apparently authentic document showing refugee benefits grossly misrepresents the document's contents. CLAIM Each refugee in Canada receives $3,874 every month from the government under the Resettlement Assistance Program. RATING MOSTLY FALSE WHAT'S TRUE The document shown in the photograph appears to be authentic. WHAT'S FALSE Refugees who receive the listed benefits are, by definition, not "illegal" (i.e. undocumented), most of the listed benefits are one-off payments and, not monthly stipends, and these benefits are for a family of five people rather than a single individual. ORIGIN As is the case for many Western democracies, the Canadian government’s formal efforts to help refugees settle in the country have been the subject of much speculation, criticism and misinformation in recent years. In the fall of 2017, a viral Facebook post spread yet more misinformation about the benefits received by refugees in Canada. On 1 September 2017, Facebook user Mike Marcoux posted what appears to be a photograph of an itemized breakdown of benefits associated with the Resettlement Assistance Program, along with the following message: This is what 1 illegal refugee gets with the federal assistance program $3874 per month. We have modified the image to obscure the name of the recipient, which was included in the original photograph: Although this document appears to be authentic, according to the Canadian Council for Refugees, a national nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting and advocating for refugees, its representation on Facebook was highly misleading: The document details payments to a family of five (not a single person) who were refugees accepted by Canada (and therefore are not in the country “illegally”), and most of the listed payments are one-time only resettlement assistance payments and not monthly benefits. A spokesperson for the Council told us the document showed “a start up breakdown of costs for a newly arrived Government-Assisted Refugee (GAR) family” and that the amounts shown were consistent with benefit rates in the province of British Columbia. Despite the apparent authenticity of the document, Marcoux’s post grossly misrepresents the contents. Firstly, contrary to Mike Marcoux’s post, there is no such thing as an “illegal” refugee in this context. By definition, beneficiaries of the Canadian government’s Resettlement Assistance Program are individuals and families formally recognized by the Canadian government as refugees before they travel to Canada. According to the Canadian Council for Refugees, Government-Assisted Refugees such as those to whom this document appears to relate are “referred by the [U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees] to Canada because they have been identified as being in need of resettlement.” Secondly, the document does not relate to one refugee, as the Facebook post falsely claims. The document clearly shows that these benefits are for a family of five people: Third, the grand total value of the benefits ($3,874 CAD or $2,748 USD as of 28 January 2016) is not a recurring monthly payment, as the Facebook post falsely claims. The document clearly shows that the majority of benefits listed are one-off “start-up” benefits. The only regular monthly benefits are conveniently labelled “Regular Monthly Benefits,” and consist of payments for food, rent and transportation, which, because of the size of the family, total $1,399 CAD per month ($1,094 USD as of 15 November 2017). These monthly benefits work out to $16,788 CAD ($13,132 USD) a year for a family of five (in addition to “start-up” benefits). Unless there are exceptional circumstances, these Resettlement Assistance Program benefits are only payable to refugees for one year. The amounts of benefits depend on the size of the family that receives them. If this document did relate to a single individual (as the Facebook post claims), the overall monthly payments could be expected to be significantly lower. The one-off start-up benefits which bring the total in this particular document to $3,874 also include a $375 loan for a security deposit for housing. Being a loan, that amount will have to be repaid to the federal government. Furthermore, depending on when this particular family arrived in Canada, they may be required to pay the Canadian government for the cost of their transportation into the country, which takes the form of loan debt. According to the Canadian Council for Refugees, the average loan debtbetween 2008 and 2012 was $3,090 CAD. So while the document in the photograph does appear to be authentic, Mike Marcoux’s Facebook post constitutes a gross misrepresentation of what’s actually in it. The same document formed the basis of a similarly-outraged post on the right-wing blog “90 Miles from Tyranny” in December 2016. That blog post cited an earlier article by the now-defunct Magafeed web site, which is listed in the Fake News Codex as a “clickbait site with misleading, poorly [sourced], and outright false stories.” It’s hardly the first time that Canada’s refugee policy has been the subject of false claims. For example, a factual error in a 2004 letter to the editor of the Toronto Star spawned a chain email and online memes falsely claiming that refugees in Canada receive more benefits each month than do Canadian pensioners. The rumor persisted for years. Similar false rumors have been spread in the country’s southern neighbor, the United States. I know it...….. in response to a post from Stone Cold about the Canada, Mikey LMAO...… one must always read the fine print don't you think. Sincerely The Class President 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgerunner Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 If the Democrats don't win the House of Representatives in the 2018 election,I wonder how long it will take before they claim the election was illegitimate because Russia meddled in the election. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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