Discussion: 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) #2

[TBG 150]

Man, this Hitler worshiper is a seriously brain-dead individual. I didn't think Germans could be such idiots. Well, except for Merkle. That's a bigger joke than Trump could ever be.

[Ridgerunner]

HOW IS IT THAT THE CHINESE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT IN JANUARY, 2020 BANNED THE RESIDENTS OF WUHAN FROM TRAVELING TO OTHER PARTS OF CHINA, BUT STILL ALLOWED THEM TO TRAVEL INTERNATIONALLY?  COULD THAT EXPLAIN WHY CHINA NOW HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THE CORONAVIRUS WHILE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SUFFERING FROM A CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC? 

[Ridgerunner]

A new MIT study says that the primary way the coronavirus was spread in New York City was through people travelling on the subway system. Well,duh. 

[Robwin]

53 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:

A new MIT study says that the primary way the coronavirus was spread in New York City was through people travelling on the subway system. Well,duh. 

Am sure it needs an official body to work that out, any dumbo can come up with that reason lol

[StnCld316]

[Ridgerunner]

5 minutes ago, StarLight28 said:

As always. Stupid and insulting chatter from our "Vietnam veterans" - unrelated to "Corona" and without any knowledge of politics.

I only have great regret for you. How can I help you cure your multiple illness?

Get to the point, baby instead of insulting people. "I can't think of a remedy" (from Fidelio von Beethoven) This is how only failures react - like your Trump.

You could be spiritual twins - nibbling.

And how is being a Vietnam Veteran related to coronavoirus? Although, I did take hydroxychloroquine for a year while in Vietnam as protection from malaria.   But you never insult people, do you?  What did you say about homosexuals?

[StarLight28]

4 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:

 Was hast du über Homosexuelle gesagt?

Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, da negativ artikuliert zu haben. Fühlst DU Dich da angesprochen ???

[nagachilli2]

4 minutes ago, StarLight28 said:

I have contributed several times in this thread with factual contributions to elucidating the subject of "corona", ventilation and medical backgrounds.

The answers and reactions were always flat from ignorant people who are just looking for junk. Too bad, because the topic is really serious.

People who call thoughtful posts "bullshit" are apparently immature to discuss the demanding topic. Let it be - bye bye.

I'm not angry with you - everyone is as they can.

You have Starlight, but it's a shame that you then try and make it so it appears to be a competition, and Germany is top of the league!...That's my issue, not the factual stuff...I believe we both have medical backgrounds...
You're hypocritical by suggesting everyone throwing insults around, but you're as guilty as anyone...just saying...

I believe we should all be pulling together in these difficult times, not trying to get one over on each other...

[moos54]

I have the impression that our German friend feels growing up thinking that his country is better than the others with regard to the management of the covid
A fair reality, Germany soon reaches 4,000 dead in his country so it's far from a victory if you ask me because they have passed China (even if China is not a guarantee of franchise)
And then everything also depends on the way of calculating and giving the information of the statistics, moreover does in these figures, Germany take into account the deaths in the organizations of health for old people like can make it France?
Maybe it's true that Germany is doing better than the others, or maybe it's not and they are the same as the other countries

I just think that during this period, we have to know how to stay humble

[Thestarider]

3,625,000 Americans have been tested for the corona virus, 672,200 confirmed cases, 34,310 deaths, 54,510 recovered.

18.54% positive results, .86% death rate to cases tested, 5.11% death rate to confirmed cases, 8.11% recovered from severe cases I presume as most confirmed cases are restricted to quarantine for 14 to 21 days.

The average cost for the new Covid-19 test is 51.91 = $188,173,750 in which the federal government has paid for and will continue to pay for all Covid-19 testing. The US congress in the 2.2 trillion bailout put back 200 billion for hospitals and uninsured medical treatment for those without insurance for whatever reason.

According to the Herald, Osmel Martinez Azcue had been to China for work and returned to Miami in January with “flu-like symptoms.” He went to Jackson Memorial Hospital since he worried that he may have contracted the new coronavirus disease, now called COVID-19. The initial cost for his visit was $3,270, billed to his insurance company.

If the federal government would have not stepped in and covered the cost of all testing for Covid-19 it could be $10,676,550,000 just for initial testing and not including medical treatments.

[Thestarider]

Scientists Pinpoint 2 Causes Behind China’s Deadly Coronavirus – They’re Both Shocking

Scientists identified two possible root causes of Coronavirus: the consumption of wildlife such as bats in Wuhan and potential leak of virus. Published:

January 27, 2020 9:22 AM UTC

After missing the crucial containment window, scientists are blaming two fundamental factors that're likely behind the coronavirus outbreak. |

• Scientists narrowed down causes of Coronavirus to cross-species transmission of the pathogen from bats or snakes, and potential laboratory leak in Wuhan.
• SARS and MERS were also said to have been caused by bats in 2004.
• Hong Kong and China have declared a state of emergency as confirmed cases of the virus rapidly increase.

Scientists have identified two possible root causes of Coronavirus: the consumption of wildlife such as bats in Wuhan and the potential leak of the virus at a well-protected center.

Both Mers and SARS, two deadly respiratory diseases caused by Coronavirus, were also suspected to have been caused by bats.

Cause #1: Bat eating in Wuhan, 2019-nCoV found in snakes spreading Coronavirus

When the Coronavirus outbreak was first publicized, scientists theorized that the Coronavirus likely spread from bats to snakes, and eventually to humans. The Wildlife Conservation Society said on January 23 that unregulated wild animal trading leaves areas vulnerable to virus spillover. In recent weeks, Chinese influences and streamers were heavily criticized by the public for releasing videos of consuming bats. Wang Mengyun, a Chinese celebrity, apologized after a video of her eating a fried bat in 2017 went viral. Whether Coronavirus or other forms of the virus can be transferred to humans after being fried or exposed to high heat remains unclear. Studies suggest that the virus is likely to have spread when managing live bats in the poorly regulated live animal market. The Journal of Medical Virology said that the 2019-nCoV of snakes is likely to have caused cross-species transmission from snakes to humans.

The study read:

Our findings suggest that snake is the most probable wildlife animal reservoir for the 2019‐nCoV based on its RSCU bias resembling snake compared to other animals. Taken together, our results suggest that homologous recombination within the spike glycoprotein may contribute to cross‐species transmission from snake to humans.

Currently, scientists believe it is either bats, snakes, or both that led the deadly Coronavirus to spill in inexpertly run live animal markets in Wuhan and other parts of China.

nCoV in China that is suspected to be main cause of Coronavirus | Source: Journal of Medical Virology

Cause #2: Potential leak from a facility studying the virus

In 2017, China established the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory to study some of the world’s most powerful virus and pathogens. At the time, New Jersey-based Rutgers University molecular biologist Richard Bright said that many things can go wrong with the laboratory. He said that when testing pathogens on animals like monkeys, there is a possibility it can leak through various ways. “These facilities are inherently dual use,” said Ebright, noting that the monkeys that are being tested could show volatile behavior.

He said:

They can run, they can scratch, they can bite.

Based on the development of the virus and the studies that have emerged in recent weeks, cross-species transmission from bats or snakes to humans is a more likely cause of the Coronavirus than a possible facility leak. Scientists are reluctant towards completely dismissing a facility leak as a potential cause of the Coronavirus outbreak because of the SARS leak in 2004. Indeed, there’s increasing speculation that the Wuhan Institute of Virology may have inadvertently leaked the Coronavirus. 

The Chinese economy and the stock market have trembled following the outbreak, causing significant instability in the country

[Thestarider]

China says WHO has said no evidence coronavirus was made in a lab

BEIJING (Reuters) - China’s foreign ministry said on Thursday the World Health Organization has said there is no evidence that the coronavirus that has infected more than 2 million people globally was made in a lab.

 

Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian made the remark in response to a question about accusations the coronavirus originated in a lab in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, where the epidemic first emerged in late 2019. 

There is increasing confidence that the COVID-19 outbreak likely originated in a Wuhan laboratory, though not as a bioweapon but as part of China's attempt to demonstrate that its efforts to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of the United States, multiple sources who have been briefed on the details of early actions by China's government and seen relevant materials tell Fox News.

This may be the "costliest government cover-up of all time," one of the sources said.

The sources believe the initial transmission of the virus – a naturally occurring strain that was being studied there – was bat-to-human and that "patient zero" worked at the laboratory, then went into the population in Wuhan.

The “increasing confidence” comes from classified and open-source documents and evidence, the sources said. Sources emphasized -- as is often the case with intelligence -- that it’s not definitive and should not be characterized as such. Some inside the administration and the intelligence and epidemiological communities are more skeptical, and the investigation is continuing. What all of the sources agree about is the extensive cover-up of data and information about COVID-19 orchestrated by the Chinese government.

NOW, WHO WOULD FUND THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANZATION WHEN THEY HELP COVER UP THE TRUTH ? THE US SPENDS ABOUT 420 MILLION A YEAR TO FUND THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANZATION, CHINA SPENDS ABOUT 38 MILLION.

The biennial WHO budget for 2020-2021 has been set at $4.84 billion. President Trump announced Tuesday that the U.S. is placing a hold on funding to the World Health Organization for 60–90 days over its handling of the coronavirus pandemic, pending a review.

Driving the news: Trump accused the WHO of "severely mismanaging and covering up" the coronavirus crisis, adding that the U.S. "has a duty to insist on full accountability."

• "With the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, we have deep concerns whether America’s generosity has been put to the best use possible," Trump said at a briefing in the Rose Garden.
• "If we cannot trust them, if this is what we will receive from the WHO, our country will be forced to find other ways to work with other nations to achieve public health goals." 

By the numbers: The WHO's 2018–2019 budget was about $6 billion, and the U.S. is by far the biggest donor of any country, contributing more than $400 million to the organization last year.

• "American taxpayers provided between $400 million and $500 million per year to the WHO. In contrast, China contributes roughly $40 million a year, or even less," Trump said Tuesday.
• "As the organization’s leading sponsor, the United States has a duty to insist on full accountability. One of the most dangerous and costly decisions from the WHO was its disastrous decision to oppose travel restrictions from China and other nations.”